Who will take over

[B'o'B]

It sounds like you have made progress though. Maybe just a case of 2 steps forward one step back.
Old habits die hard, at he age he will never understand why we don’t just put them in a hole anymore, try and bite your tongue and go and dig it up again, as frustrating as it is I’m sure he genuinely thought he was being helpful.

 

[Fendt516profi]

The smile on his face didn't say he was been helpful. The reason for the inspection was because we've a holding at home and one on 50acres of rented ground the rented ground has thousands of sheep licensed to it and none moved off at home has thousands of sheep moved off and no on moves I'm worried even though I've told him many times how the computer can pick this up he's continued to do it what's going to change I can't watch him 24 7 to make sure I record everything he's doing and keep it right

 

[puppet]

The RPA cut you some slack because an 84 year old did not know where he stood. Now you have sorted it no slack next time. The penalties can then be severe.
Get yourself along to a lawyer to check what exactly you were left by your father. Was it land or the business too? That cannot be taken away. If a share of business too then your uncle cannot take that. Once you know these figures you can see the options for you.
My father was in the same situation. Business partnership with uncle to ease inheritance situation but never had any drawings as he had another job but helped at night and weekends. The profit share was in the capital account but his uncle could not understand it all and expected him to do more work. He split the partnership father got share of all the stock, sold his house and bought a farm.
Own boss then, made money and never regretted it. Lost out on inheritance of the land but missed 10 years of grief

 

[Fendt516profi]

The RPA cut you some slack because an 84 year old did not know where he stood. Now you have sorted it no slack next time. The penalties can then be severe.
Get yourself along to a lawyer to check what exactly you were left by your father. Was it land or the business too? That cannot be taken away. If a share of business too then your uncle cannot take that. Once you know these figures you can see the options for you.
My father was in the same situation. Business partnership with uncle to ease inheritance situation but never had any drawings as he had another job but helped at night and weekends. The profit share was in the capital account but his uncle could not understand it all and expected him to do more work. He split the partnership father got share of all the stock, sold his house and bought a farm.
Own boss then, made money and never regretted it. Lost out on inheritance of the land but missed 10 years of grief

I know this they had come and were intent on prosecution because he's not improved from the previous 2or3 inspections which he's not told me about. I told them my situation and how I wanted to take over the running they were very good but also strict on what I must do and how quick I put alot of time in going through every sheep on farm to identify and record it to satisfy them and save us from prosecution and it feels like he doesn't appreciate any of that effort, all the while he was sat in house with his head in his hands

 

[Brisel]

Can you change the password for the movement portal online so he can't get access to it? Can you remove his empowerment? Sorry to suggest something underhand but if he hasn't got the choice then someone else can do the paperwork for it. Better to have to hire someone in than keep going through this pain of restrictions and inspections.

 

[Fendt516profi]

He doesn't do anything online he hasn't a clue about technology. Doesn't even no how to push a pen over a piece of paper bit harsh but he's never kept a flock register

 

[Fendt516profi]

Also wouldn't stop him going to auction and buying something and taking it and dropping it in a field and not doing any licence

 

[lloyd]

Why don't you split the business up so you will be free to do
things your way and he can sell his share or rent it to you
thus releasing some cash for him to enjoy in his old age.
Win,Win situation for you both .

 

[Fendt516profi]

He wouldn't want to do anything else doesn't need the money from selling the farm but it is just what I have suggested we sell up then I would know the value and beable to buy him out but he would not let go then I just know he would carry on doing as he's always done like he still owned it

 

[2wheels]

i read somewhere that if illness etc didn't kill old folk the main cause of death would be an accident.

 

[puppet]

Also wouldn't stop him going to auction and buying something and taking it and dropping it in a field and not doing any licence

Sorry to be blunt but if that is the case then you are on a loser I'm afraid. If the RPA were to do another inspection (and you will be high up their list) then work out how much subsidy you will lose far less a fine. Then you will have the farm but no subsidy so probably have to sell up and get half share. You will not get any new subsidy if you can start again so will be far worse off as a failure to keep records could lead to a ban on keeping livestock.
Alternative is to say you have had enough and he can do odd jobs but absolutely no moving or trading stock unless you are present. You have brought up the possibility of buying him out before so if no cooperation then repeat that you want to buy his share or take all you are owed along with the subsidy you still have and make a fresh start. He may have enough cash to do that? He is an 84 year old bachelor who has not had to think of others, possibly losing his marbles a bit. You are a young man with a family so you have completely different responsibilities.
I wish you all the best, try to see it as a business decision and not personal although families are never easy

 

[Highland Mule]

Also wouldn't stop him going to auction and buying something and taking it and dropping it in a field and not doing any licence

Surely can't be that many auction houses to contact and tell them not to take a bid from him? Frankly, if he's that inclined, you have to separate from him legally, to prevent him dragging you down. It needs to be clear to him, Animal Health etc. and all others that he's a loose cannon and his actions are 100% independent of you.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Has everyone got someone to eventually take over the running of the farm/buisness I havnt son decided on a different career currently in Texas coaching soccer daughter has a good job for local authority as a social worker good luck to them I'm now 57 own the farm 400 acres mixed cattle sheep and arable currently still enjoying farming but will come the day to call time

Not likely here, but does it matter . I know all the people who have famered here since 1760 . Not personally! But have resurched them all , they feel like my family . I have repaired the drains they dug and ploughed the soil they ploughed . I hope the next person enjoys farming it as much as I have and sometimes when hes in the fields thinks of me ,
By then subsidised farming should be a thing on the past and he can concentrate on what's important. Farming to make a profit

 

[Fendt516profi]

Sorry to be blunt but if that is the case then you are on a loser I'm afraid. If the RPA were to do another inspection (and you will be high up their list) then work out how much subsidy you will lose far less a fine. Then you will have the farm but no subsidy so probably have to sell up and get half share. You will not get any new subsidy if you can start again so will be far worse off as a failure to keep records could lead to a ban on keeping livestock.
Alternative is to say you have had enough and he can do odd jobs but absolutely no moving or trading stock unless you are present. You have brought up the possibility of buying him out before so if no cooperation then repeat that you want to buy his share or take all you are owed along with the subsidy you still have and make a fresh start. He may have enough cash to do that? He is an 84 year old bachelor who has not had to think of others, possibly losing his marbles a bit. You are a young man with a family so you have completely different responsibilities.
I wish you all the best, try to see it as a business decision and not personal although families are never easy

I have said this before that if we were a normal business with shareholders there would be a meeting to remove him but with just two and been family it's harder the inspectors were very aware of the situation and I'm aware of the fine for breaching I have the paperwork work in order and the identification of animals the inspectors have been back and are happy it's just getting him to stop doing any of his old ways now and leave it to me to do

 

[czechmate]

I have no scientific explanation but I have met a lot of people, mostly men, who have worked their guts out for years in whatever vocation, they hit 65, retire under duress and then within 18 months, their body just gives up, normally through something cardiac in nature.

It's like the body just can't operate without a level of exertion or stress in the system or something.

I was agreeing with you back in May!
As a mixed farm who starts “harvest” with wrapped bales then progresses through hay, a range of cereals then finishes by contract harvesting for others, at the age of 59, I find after 14 weeks of non stop long stressful hard and hot work, I feel totally bolloxed . No idea how to recover from this year (still have animals to look after and plant the next crops), never mind facing going through it all again next year.
It’s a nasty dilemma

 

[Fendt516profi]

I am well aware of been high on the rpas list and am expecting them between march and September next year

 

[SilliamWhale]

I was agreeing with you back in May!
As a mixed farm who starts “harvest” with wrapped bales then progresses through hay, a range of cereals then finishes by contract harvesting for others, at the age of 59, I find after 14 weeks of non stop long stressful hard and hot work, I feel totally bolloxed . No idea how to recover from this year (still have animals to look after and plant the next crops), never mind facing going through it all again next year.
It’s a nasty dilemma

For a start go and have a holiday. And for a second start have a break inbetween - you are not so important you cannot find a driver for a week somewhere between grass and combine. You'll come back a bit fresher

 

[czechmate]

For a start go and have a holiday. And for a second start have a break inbetween - you are not so important you cannot find a driver for a week somewhere between grass and combine. You'll come back a bit fresher

Thank you and I agree...
But

A. N. I. M. A. L. S

 

[michael N123]

Sell it ? 4 mill should provide a decent life

Why fathers keep land for kids that are not interested in farming I have never understood

In this case would a lifetime equity loan not make sense where he could borrow money against the farm and it’ll be sold and paid back when he’s dead ?

Gets plenty of money to play with as well as keeping the farm

 

[Spuddler]

Also wouldn't stop him going to auction and buying something and taking it and dropping it in a field and not doing any licence

Firstly I would hold the farm cheque book so he can't buy animals to do with the business.
Then if he buys some with his own cash they have no business on the land you control, as far as you are concerned they are someone else's sheep on your registered holding.