That's not rubbish , that's from experience .Rubbish,
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That's not rubbish , that's from experience .Rubbish,
Both balers and wagons pick up the swath that is presented to them, no reason baler needs a small swathThat's not rubbish , that's from experience .
I cut for a farmer who switchef from bales , he laid a concrete slab and paid for it in one year in the difference of cost between baling and what I charged him. The slab will be there for at least 30 yrs. another cost disadvantage I see here now is the cost of spreading slurry out of sheds using trailing shoes , any where bales are fed it can double the cost of agitating slurry thin enough to get it out through a pipe system.Yes a big plastic bill, but zero cost for concrete, definitely less losses with bales, and more milk, I'd expect between 2 and 5 bad bales in the 1200
Try putting a heavy 30 ft sward into a baler and you won't get far. Balers are not designed to take in big swards with lumps of grass in them.Both balers and wagons pick up the swath that is presented to them, no reason baler needs a small swath
It's a while since I last done the sums but bales always worked out cheaper than clamp for meI cut for a farmer who switchef from bales , he laid a concrete slab and paid for it in one year in the difference of cost between baling and what I charged him. The slab will be there for at least 30 yrs. another cost disadvantage I see here now is the cost of spreading slurry out of sheds using trailing shoes , any where bales are fed it can double the cost of agitating slurry thin enough to get it out through a pipe system.
Big swath no problems, go at an appropriate speedTry putting a heavy 30 ft sward into a baler and you won't get far. Balers are not designed to take in big swards with lumps of grass in them.
You buy plastic every year , concrete every 30 - 40 yrs , our slab was put down in 1989 and is still perfect. Also we have a great concrete yard for the rest of the year. A lot of farmers are now storing bales on concrete to reduce muck around the yard.It's a while since I last done the sums but bales always worked out cheaper than clamp for me
Plastic cost would have increased 50% but I'd imagine so has concrete
Baled silage getting into the slurry isn't a problem with the correct barrier and management
what about walls and effulent tank, you are forgetting to factor the DM losses from pit shown by scientific research and your customer who said the pit paid itself in a year hasnt included them either, what do you value 1 tonne DM of reasonable quality silage at? allow for a perfect pit at 10% dm losses(highly unlikely) and bales at 3% so 7% extra DM losses from pit, work it out from there, most farmers will have 12% extra DM losses from pitYou buy plastic every year , concrete every 30 - 40 yrs , our slab was put down in 1989 and is still perfect. Also we have a great concrete yard for the rest of the year. A lot of farmers are now storing bales on concrete to reduce muck around the yard.
Can you explain to me where these losses are , if you strip a bale of silage in a feed passage and spread it out and it gets eaten and bring in a shear grab load from a pit and drop it in the same passage and it all gets eaten , no waste from either , where are these losses .what about walls and effulent tank, you are forgetting to factor the DM losses from pit shown by scientific research and your customer who said the pit paid itself in a year hasnt included them either, what do you value 1 tonne DM of reasonable quality silage at? allow for a perfect pit at 10% dm losses(highly unlikely) and bales at 3% so 7% extra DM losses from pit, work it out from there, most farmers will have 12% extra DM losses from pit
Less energy lost in the fermentation process with bales compared to clamp for a startCan you explain to me where these losses are , if you strip a bale of silage in a feed passage and spread it out and it gets eaten and bring in a shear grab load from a pit and drop it in the same passage and it all gets eaten , no waste from either , where are these losses .
And why is that , is the clamp in the research precision chop or wagon silage .Less energy lost in the fermentation process with bales compared to clamp for a start
Bales are made and sealed a lot quickerAnd why is that , is the clamp in the research precision chop or wagon silage .
unseen losses, its the amount of time between cutting, going in the pit, sealing the pit and all the air in the pit being used up to start fermentation process, also unnavoidable losses no matter how good pit is due to air trapped between silage and pit walls and between silage and sheetCan you explain to me where these losses are , if you strip a bale of silage in a feed passage and spread it out and it gets eaten and bring in a shear grab load from a pit and drop it in the same passage and it all gets eaten , no waste from either , where are these losses .
If you use a good additive the fermentation process will be much quicker and at a much lower temperature. To get the air out of the covered pit quicker some lads use the slurry tanker to suck it out , this vacuum packs the grass , pulls the plastic in tight and is a great job.unseen losses, its the amount of time between cutting, going in the pit, sealing the pit and all the air in the pit being used up to start fermentation process, also unnavoidable losses no matter how good pit is due to air trapped between silage and pit walls and between silage and sheet
take an average of farmers though, DM losses are far less with bales and must be factored into the cost difference between systemsIf you use a good additive the fermentation process will be much quicker and at a much lower temperature. To get the air out of the covered pit quicker some lads use the slurry tanker to suck it out , this vacuum packs the grass , pulls the plastic in tight and is a great job.
At the end of the day a farmer only cares how big his bill is to get x amount of grass saved for wintertake an average of farmers though, DM losses are far less with bales and must be factored into the cost difference between systems
if hes spending money on fert he would surely want as much good quality silage as possibleAt the end of the day a farmer only cares how big his bill is to get x amount of grass saved for winter
I Could give you 3 or more answers to thatif hes spending money on fert he would surely want as much good quality silage as possible