Will there be Ag support payments in 2020?

[bobk]

Maybe as a tenant farmer, Corbyn would let me buy my farm off the overseas trust fund, headed by a Tory peer. Who, incidentally have zero interest in the farms or the community, preferring to leave farm stead’s and houses empty, whilst letting land only on FBTs. Farms that once supported families that used the school, shop , pub etc.
Making me think how selfish a lot of these Tory’s are. Probably don’t pay much tax, as the trustees keep moving to different offshore locations.

No , he would kick you out and build council houses on it . or gypo camps

 

[DRC]

No , he would kick you out and build council houses on it . or gypo camps

Does make you wonder though . Right to buy

 

[bobk]

Does make you wonder though . Right to buy

Mrs Thatcher introduced that.

 

[steveR]

Great. You will need them when he slaps business rates on farm buildings....

Cat D5 waiting in the wings for the less useful buildings...

 

[steveR]

Maybe as a tenant farmer, Corbyn would let me buy my farm off the overseas trust fund, headed by a Tory peer. Who, incidentally have zero interest in the farms or the community, preferring to leave farm stead’s and houses empty, whilst letting land only on FBTs. Farms that once supported families that used the school, shop , pub etc.
Making me think how selfish a lot of these Tory’s are. Probably don’t pay much tax, as the trustees keep moving to different offshore locations.

Some of JRM's old schoolmates no doubt...

 

[jendan]

Cat D5 waiting in the wings for the less useful buildings...

Are they not all potential houses?

 

[steveR]

Are they not all potential houses?

Pole barn accommodation...? Perfect frame, ready for a self build Segal house...

 

[gone up the hill]

Doesn't the clock only start ticking once Brexit actually happens?

Brexit is now very unlikely to happen in 2019 so what happens to farm payments is now entirely dependent on the outcome of the next general election and the decisions made by the next government that we get from that. I presume if conservatives get a majority they will stand by their current plan of 2022. If it's LibDems Brexit is cancelled and if it's Labour... who knows.

I think when Gove said 'until the end of this parliament' that he was expecting to be out of Europe long before now and for conservatives to be in government until 2022. I wouldn't worry about the wording too much,

No

Subs were only promised for the life of this parliament, that ends next week and suffice to say after this years payment there is a strong chance that there will be no direct sub payment like BPS for 2020!

 

[bobk]

No

Subs were only promised for the life of this parliament, that ends next week and suffice to say after this years payment there is a strong chance that there will be no direct sub payment like BPS for 2020!

Dunna worry , Minette will sort it

 

[gone up the hill]

Dunna worry , Minette will sort it

God help us then!

She spent most of last year/ the year before campaigning for direct subs ( ie the BPS payment ) to be scrapped.

 

[fudge]

How about a poll? What level of government support do you expect in 2020? My vote would be for £0 to £20 an acre.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I dearly hope that farms become self funding through better returns in the market place and put handouts to bed , for ever

 

[teslacoils]

Corbyn is a new breed .we have not seen his like before . He means what he says

Hmm. I marched on the anti trident rallies over the years and remember clearly Corbyn vowing to scrap it. The video can be found on YouTube.

Changed his tune now hasn't he.

 

[topground]

With Corbyn and McDonell In power both Champagne Marxists so look forward to State owned collective farms?

 

[Scotter]

I thought the RPA plans to faze out direct payments between 2021-2027

https://assets.publishing.service.g...826341/future-farming-leaflet-august-2019.pdf

 

[Wombat]

With Corbyn and McDonell In power both Champagne Marxists so look forward to State owned collective farms?

Does that mean i won't have to combine august bank holiday?

 

[fudge]

Does that mean i won't have to combine august bank holiday?

You will be in the Gulag, mining salt if you don’t attend the May Day parade comrade.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I dearly hope that farms become self funding through better returns in the market place and put handouts to bed , for ever

So do I .

I've read so many times "it keeps these small family farms in business" but it would be far better for rural communities if those small family farms actually made decent profit and ploughed it back into those small rural towns; instead of the dealers in the big smoke, etc etc

I also know a lot of you guys look "at what happened in NZ" and think it would be bloody awful, but in fact a dairy worker earning $60k tends to spend a lot more locally than a farmowner barely breaking ever does.... his money goes to the city, never to return

That's the whole point of these payments, surely?
A way to get freshly minted money into the city coffers, into the big companies, which drives inequality

 

[fudge]

So do I .

I've read so many times "it keeps these small family farms in business" but it would be far better for rural communities if those small family farms actually made decent profit and ploughed it back into those small rural towns; instead of the dealers in the big smoke, etc etc

I also know a lot of you guys look "at what happened in NZ" and think it would be bloody awful, but in fact a dairy worker earning $60k tends to spend a lot more locally than a farmowner barely breaking even does.... his money goes to the city, never to return

That's the whole point of these payments, surely?
A way to get freshly minted money into the city coffers, into the big companies, which drives inequality

There is no point to them! Least it’s lost in the midst of time. They are just a bonus on top of all the other tax breaks and subsidies that’s all. Tenants are in a poor position though they are obliged to hand the sfp straight to the landlord, when the music stops they will be squeezed out.

 

[neilo]

So do I .

I've read so many times "it keeps these small family farms in business" but it would be far better for rural communities if those small family farms actually made decent profit and ploughed it back into those small rural towns; instead of the dealers in the big smoke, etc etc

I also know a lot of you guys look "at what happened in NZ" and think it would be bloody awful, but in fact a dairy worker earning $60k tends to spend a lot more locally than a farmowner barely breaking even does.... his money goes to the city, never to return

That's the whole point of these payments, surely?
A way to get freshly minted money into the city coffers, into the big companies, which drives inequality

Everyone I know of round here tends to spend most of their money buying supplies from local companies, given the option. Isn’t that the case everywhere?
We buy bits & pieces from cheaper (often online) suppliers, but the vast majority is spent with local businesses, who in turn employ local people, who spend money locally. The ‘dole’ goes round in circles and ends up back in the exchequer’s pocket very quickly.