Will there be Ag support payments in 2020?

[curlietailz]

We were “promised” by Michael Gove that farm support payments would continue “to the end of this Parliament”... and the Fixed Term malarkey meant that was 2022
There’s going to be an early election in 2019 ( if you’ve not heard)
Therefore a new Parliament
There MAY NOT be any farm support after out December payment arrives!!

anyone have any info ?? Or idea where this leaves us

 

[teslacoils]

One way or another we will still be in the EU then, so will get the sub.

 

[Scrow]

Doesn't the clock only start ticking once Brexit actually happens?

Brexit is now very unlikely to happen in 2019 so what happens to farm payments is now entirely dependent on the outcome of the next general election and the decisions made by the next government that we get from that. I presume if conservatives get a majority they will stand by their current plan of 2022. If it's LibDems Brexit is cancelled and if it's Labour... who knows.

I think when Gove said 'until the end of this parliament' that he was expecting to be out of Europe long before now and for conservatives to be in government until 2022. I wouldn't worry about the wording too much,

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

For the foreseeable future the Agriculture Bill is dead. There may be some enthusiasm to progress the environment bill but I am not sure that gives agriculture any protection.
So my guess is that the scenario will be that we continue to receive BPS as is until or if we ever leave the EU. The earliest we leave is still the end of 2020 so we assume that from 2021 there will be a new format.
However as there is absolutely no certainty of the outcome of the election we will have to wait until after 12th December to make any accurate forecasts.

As already suggested if the conservatives get a majority then we will be out of the present EU system at the end of 2020 and it is likely that for a short period we will replicate the BPS system (if the government have the money).
If the Lib Dems hold the balance of power then we stay in the EU and the system continues however we should be aware that the payments are already being reduced within the EU.
Of course Labour could win and then no one knows what they want, but the good news would be that in the short term the pound would fall so much that agriculture would have a massive boost as exports would be too expensive so subsidies might be less relevant. However land would be nationalised so you would be unable to borrow any money to invest and interest rates would be very high!!

My thoughts.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

We were “promised” by Michael Gove that farm support payments would continue “to the end of this Parliament”... and the Fixed Term malarkey meant that was 2022
There’s going to be an early election in 2019 ( if you’ve not heard)
Therefore a new Parliament
There MAY NOT be any farm support after out December payment arrives!!

anyone have any info ?? Or idea where this leaves us

Not if Corbyn gets it . He will tax you to death . Stop your subs and if that dont kill you, then stealing your land should
You better pray Boris can hold him off

 

[Tim W]

Did i not read somewhere early on in the brexit debate days (3 years ago?) , labour saying they would keep payments at the same level they presently are ?

 

[ajd132]

Did i not read somewhere early on in the brexit debate days (3 years ago?) , labour saying they would keep payments at the same level they presently are ?

Yes it did say that in their manifesto thing.

 

[Tim W]

Not if Corbyn gets it . He will tax you to death . Stop your subs and if that dont kill you, then stealing your land should
You better pray Boris can hold him off

Wrong ---labour plan to keep ag. dole as it is

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Wrong ---labour plan to keep ag. dole as it is

was that on the same days as he promised he would support leaving the EU

 

[7610 super q]

Ag dole is ending in Wales, no matter what, as far as I can tell.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Did i not read somewhere early on in the brexit debate days (3 years ago?) , labour saying they would keep payments at the same level they presently are ?

Great. You will need them when he slaps business rates on farm buildings....

 

[buttercup]

did some one say tax ??

do you really pay some ??

 

[Tim W]

was that on the same days as he promised he would support leaving the EU

Don't know but it was before Boris said we would be leaving the EU today come what may
Hard to know what/who to believe ----best to probably believe none of them

 

[le bon paysan]

I posted this elsewhere but for those who don't go there................

https://www.pleinchamp.com/actualit.../future-pac-vers-la-fin-des-aides-a-l-hectare

France Strategy recommends revising the Common Agricultural Policy by ensuring a minimum payment for all farmers, disconnected from production and surface, with the implementation of an environmental bonus-malus.
"It is possible to evolve our agricultural model with approaches favorable to the environment and the farm income," said Gilles de Margerie, Commissioner General of France Strategy, a think-tank attached to the Prime Minister. On 23 October he presented a report presenting proposals for the future Common Agricultural Policy, entitled "Making the CAP a lever for the agroecological transition".
With aid "proportional to farm work rather than to farm size" , the first measure advocated by this think tank should help "support agricultural employment". "It would allow on the one hand to ensure a minimum payment disconnected from the level of agricultural production, and on the other hand to take into account the increase of the workload during the transition from conventional practices to agro-ecological practices" which require more manpower, according to the report.
France Stratégie advocates that farmers' compensation be organized in the form of a bonus-malus, equal to the environmental benefits they bring to society. On the one hand, crop diversification, grassland maintenance and maintenance of Ecological Focus Areas (EIS) would be remunerated. On the other hand, pesticides, fertilizers, persistent antibiotics in the environment and greenhouse gas emissions would be taxed.
In return, the proceeds of these taxes would be fully used to "pay agro-ecological contracts , " according to the report. "The current envelope allocated to the basic payment and the green payment would make it possible to pay the agricultural income assistance" , according to the think-tank, which envisages an annual aid of about 8000 euros per year per full-time equivalent, "against 135 euros per hectare today on average in metropolis " . "This change in the method of calculating the basic payment would require a European agreement, says the report, so it could take longer to implement than the bonus-maluses."
There would of course be "winning farms and losing farms" according to their environmental practices and their rate of diversification, but according to the deputy director of sustainable development at France Stratégie, farms "would win if they change their practices"

 

[Bury the Trash]

I posted this elsewhere but for those who don't go there................

https://www.pleinchamp.com/actualit.../future-pac-vers-la-fin-des-aides-a-l-hectare

France Strategy recommends revising the Common Agricultural Policy by ensuring a minimum payment for all farmers, disconnected from production and surface, with the implementation of an environmental bonus-malus.
"It is possible to evolve our agricultural model with approaches favorable to the environment and the farm income," said Gilles de Margerie, Commissioner General of France Strategy, a think-tank attached to the Prime Minister. On 23 October he presented a report presenting proposals for the future Common Agricultural Policy, entitled "Making the CAP a lever for the agroecological transition".
With aid "proportional to farm work rather than to farm size" , the first measure advocated by this think tank should help "support agricultural employment". "It would allow on the one hand to ensure a minimum payment disconnected from the level of agricultural production, and on the other hand to take into account the increase of the workload during the transition from conventional practices to agro-ecological practices" which require more manpower, according to the report.
France Stratégie advocates that farmers' compensation be organized in the form of a bonus-malus, equal to the environmental benefits they bring to society. On the one hand, crop diversification, grassland maintenance and maintenance of Ecological Focus Areas (EIS) would be remunerated. On the other hand, pesticides, fertilizers, persistent antibiotics in the environment and greenhouse gas emissions would be taxed.
In return, the proceeds of these taxes would be fully used to "pay agro-ecological contracts , " according to the report. "The current envelope allocated to the basic payment and the green payment would make it possible to pay the agricultural income assistance" , according to the think-tank, which envisages an annual aid of about 8000 euros per year per full-time equivalent, "against 135 euros per hectare today on average in metropolis " . "This change in the method of calculating the basic payment would require a European agreement, says the report, so it could take longer to implement than the bonus-maluses."
There would of course be "winning farms and losing farms" according to their environmental practices and their rate of diversification, but according to the deputy director of sustainable development at France Stratégie, farms "would win if they change their practices"

I doubt if smaller mixed farms would have to change a lot to remain compliant.

 

[jendan]

Not if Corbyn gets it . He will tax you to death . Stop your subs and if that dont kill you, then stealing your land should
You better pray Boris can hold him off

Heard it all before with future Labour governments what they were going to do to farmers,nationalising farmland etc,and other such rubbish.It never happened then,nor will it now. In fact Healey was the best chancellor farm owners could ever have had!

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Heard it all before with future Labour governments what they were going to do to farmers,nationalising farmland etc,and other such rubbish.It never happened then,nor will it now. In fact Healey was the best chancellor farm owners could ever have had!

Corbyn is a new breed .we have not seen his like before . He means what he says

 

[bobk]

Heard it all before with future Labour governments what they were going to do to farmers,nationalising farmland etc,and other such rubbish.It never happened then,nor will it now. In fact Healey was the best chancellor farm owners could ever have had!

If Corbyn get's in , we're in deep sh!t .

 

[bobk]

It was the last Labour govt that introduced right to roam ...........

 

[DRC]

Corbyn is a new breed .we have not seen his like before . He means what he says

Maybe as a tenant farmer, Corbyn would let me buy my farm off the overseas trust fund, headed by a Tory peer. Who, incidentally have zero interest in the farms or the community, preferring to leave farm stead’s and houses empty, whilst letting land only on FBTs. Farms that once supported families that used the school, shop , pub etc.
Making me think how selfish a lot of these Tory’s are. Probably don’t pay much tax, as the trustees keep moving to different offshore locations.