- Location
- Ceredigion
Hang him
Would you do it?
- Thread starter Tim G
- Start date
Well if it's silage, then they could weigh 750kg each, so that's ridiculous. Probably overloading the trailer itself, never mind the bridge.
- Location
- Wormingford, Essex
From the bridge?
Northeastfarmer
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- Location
- Cleveland
The way it’s worded the op is saying it’s the same bridge. Can only comment on the facts provided
- Location
- Ceredigion
Seems so . Straw wagons have hit many bridges some with my straw on
Northeastfarmer
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- Location
- Cleveland
Looks like you need some new drivers then
- Location
- Wormingford, Essex
I'm surprised the water isn't a little browner.
dowcow
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- Location
- Lancashire
I'd probably be tempted to risk it. Those bales might have been called silage bales by someone who doesn't know straw from hay, and they don't look very green.
Lets assume 200kg per bale. 28 bales 5.6t.
Max weight is 7.5ton.
Now assume the load is so long that by the time the trailer gets onto the bridge the tractor is pretty much off, or if not quite off the loads are going to be stressing different parts of the bridge which transfer weight through either end of the bridge, and the load isn't ever all going to be on one end of the bridge.
5ton tractor. 3 ton bale trailer. 2 ton from bale trailer on the tractor... so by the time our now 7ton tractor + front of trailer has moved off the bridge, our 6.6ton load comes on and we would probably get away with it just fine so long as there's no busy-bodies around with a camera phone to go posting our picture up all over Facebook.
Lets assume 200kg per bale. 28 bales 5.6t.
Max weight is 7.5ton.
Now assume the load is so long that by the time the trailer gets onto the bridge the tractor is pretty much off, or if not quite off the loads are going to be stressing different parts of the bridge which transfer weight through either end of the bridge, and the load isn't ever all going to be on one end of the bridge.
5ton tractor. 3 ton bale trailer. 2 ton from bale trailer on the tractor... so by the time our now 7ton tractor + front of trailer has moved off the bridge, our 6.6ton load comes on and we would probably get away with it just fine so long as there's no busy-bodies around with a camera phone to go posting our picture up all over Facebook.
Will Blackburn
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- Location
- Cheshire
The tractor is over before the trailer gets on the bridge
We have a 2 tonne axle wt bridge as main access, now then how big is that tractor?
We have a 2 tonne axle wt bridge as main access, now then how big is that tractor?
Well, a 4 ton 100hp tractor would be adequate for that job, so we have to assume it'll be an 8 ton 200hp one.....
Fraserb
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- Location
- Scottish Borders
Well, a 4 ton 100hp tractor would be adequate for that job, so we have to assume it'll be an 8 ton 200hp one.....
Or even a 10 ton 250hp one,
oil barron
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
What are these things? Potato box pushers ?
Yes box clamps
hutchy143211
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- Location
- E. Yorkshire
Honestly the best place for that behavior is a day in court, hopefully with a large fine and plenty of points. Its completely reckless, the driver should know he's nearer double that limit than just a little over and if he doesn't he or the person instructing him to use that route shouldn't be driving. MGW is MGW and has nothing to do with the vehicle length. The bridge could be weak for a number of reasons not just its mid-span capacity which could cause a catastrophic failure especially when you're exceeding the safe limit by a factor of 2.
The fact that they've done it before to me means they should have the book well and truly thrown at them and continued to be thrown until they learn to obey a simple sign.
The fact that they've done it before to me means they should have the book well and truly thrown at them and continued to be thrown until they learn to obey a simple sign.
- Location
- Wormingford, Essex
What really surprises me is that the business doing this appears in all other ways absolutely first class. They farm many 1000's of acres, smart modern machinery, lots of employees, tidy farmyards and fields. Then they do something daft as this is.
Tom8400
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- Location
- oxfordshire
Why even post the picture? The debate is the bit most likely doing more harm than the act.
But from a calculating point of view We can't see how the bridge is constructed.
And if the tractor was 7t with drawbar weight and another say 7t on trailer axels yes that's 14t on a weighbridge but not 14t on that bridge at once it would be 7t at one time looking at the blurred picture guessing the span and construction
Weight limits are not always taking everything into play.
I wouldn't go around with a pusher trailer way over weight on the road. But I'd go over that darn bridge if farming either side.
But from a calculating point of view We can't see how the bridge is constructed.
And if the tractor was 7t with drawbar weight and another say 7t on trailer axels yes that's 14t on a weighbridge but not 14t on that bridge at once it would be 7t at one time looking at the blurred picture guessing the span and construction
Weight limits are not always taking everything into play.
I wouldn't go around with a pusher trailer way over weight on the road. But I'd go over that darn bridge if farming either side.
- Location
- Mid Norfolk
I don't want to pass judgement, because I don't know the bridge or the area of this incident, but there is a bridge on a busy minor road that we use regularly that was the target of a local campaign by two parish councils to have a 7.5t weight limit imposed on it.
This was nothing to do with the structural limits of the bridge, but a campaign against HGV traffic to a builder's merchant and some large construction sites., but the sign would have been the same "weak bridge" as the one at the start of this thread.
We and other local businesses objected as the alternative routes would through a housing estate or along a major trunk road. The campaign failed and the bridge is now used by a local bus route with a dozen double deckers going over it every day.
This was nothing to do with the structural limits of the bridge, but a campaign against HGV traffic to a builder's merchant and some large construction sites., but the sign would have been the same "weak bridge" as the one at the start of this thread.
We and other local businesses objected as the alternative routes would through a housing estate or along a major trunk road. The campaign failed and the bridge is now used by a local bus route with a dozen double deckers going over it every day.
Exfarmer
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- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
Structural weight limits are there for a very good purpose. An engineer has assessed the bridge by a variety of ways to indicate its load carrying capacity. It may well be that the bridge has bern undercut by a river current, or the nature of the stone/brick/ iron that it is built from. It is also assessed by placing loads and measuring the sink on the structure.
To ignore such an imposition is gross stupidity and could cause a serious accident, possibly not to the overloaded vehicle but one following.
They are entirely different to load limits banning HGVs passing through a certain area due probably to width issues, but always with the caveat, that they can be ignored for access, emergency etc.
I don't want to comment on this instance....
....but we're surrounded by inadequate old bridges, and even when there's funded solutions put forward - carefully disguised deck to straighten a kinked medieval one f'rinstance- some do-gooder pipes up and stops it.
I love the look of them, but suffer endless restrictions because of them - and don't scoff until you've farmed with NO chance of getting any HGV or forager/modern tractor/baler onto the farm,
and to access even the nearest HGV unloading spot, some loads have a 40 mile plus diversion.
Go on...imagine that.
If we can't, as a society, improve them up to modern spec or build something modern beside them, ........... knock the wretched things down and start again.
End rant