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tepapa · May 31, 2017

james ds said:
Their verticle wires are mild steel . Not great .

No, its not mild i asked tornado just a different grade of ht. The line wires are also the same tensile strength as x fence but more malleable as there is less carbon in the wire compared to X fence to make tying off easier but is no weaker. X fencec has more carbon which makes it harder. Carbon is also cheap which makes X fence a cheaper product to produce which is why they can presumeably ship it all the way from mexico.

DrDunc · May 31, 2017

james ds said:
Their verticle wires are mild steel . Not great .

Torus net is near £30 an 8/80/15 roll cheaper than xfence, but is it really an inferior product?

Technical specifications of the two are :

Torus

Xfence

The horizontal and vertical strengths of both types of net are on paper near enough the same.

However, when you read the x fence small print,the size of wire used in x fence is actually smaller

X fence uses 2.24mm diameter wire in their farmer livestock fence. This reduction of 20% in cross sectional area equates to a reduction in tensile strength of 20% unless different steel is used.

Torus net is therefore cheaper and stronger.

I've put up fences on my farm with both net types this winter for comparison. The x fence and Torus stands up itself exactly the same when tensioned. Xfence is slightly harder to tie off the end knots, despite the wire being being thinner.

Unless you must use x fence because you are using clipex stakes which have a non standard spacing of the horizontal wires, Torus net is a cheaper and stronger alternative. (I use class 4 or creosote wood stakes on my farm)

Torus is also British manufactured.

James makes money from selling the more expensive (more profitable) x fence and thinks it OK to rubbish the competition without declaring his financial interest.

S J H · May 31, 2017

DrDunc said:
Torus net is near £30 an 8/80/15 roll cheaper than xfence, but is it really an inferior product?

Technical specifications of the two are :

Torus
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Xfence
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The horizontal and vertical strengths of both types of net are on paper near enough the same.

However, when you read the x fence small print,the size of wire used in x fence is actually smaller

View attachment 527524

X fence uses 2.24mm diameter wire in their farmer livestock fence. This reduction of 20% in cross sectional area equates to a reduction in tensile strength of 20% unless different steel is used.

Torus net is therefore cheaper and stronger.

I've put up fences on my farm with both net types this winter for comparison. The x fence and Torus stands up itself exactly the same when tensioned. Xfence is slightly harder to tie off the end knots, despite the wire being being thinner.

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Unless you must use x fence because you are using clipex stakes which have a non standard spacing of the horizontal wires, Torus net is a cheaper and stronger alternative. (I use class 4 or creosote wood stakes on my farm)

Torus is also British manufactured.

James makes money from selling the more expensive (more profitable) x fence and thinks it OK to rubbish the competition without declaring his financial interest.

Well done for clearing that up @DrDunc

A friend was quoted for xfence, £10 a roll less than what I'm paying for torus, at the grassland show.

Kevtherev · May 31, 2017

Tornado wire products take some beating imo
I have used 'diamond brand' wire which is a Mexican product.
Tornado every time for ease to put up and it runs nice when tensioning up.

DrDunc · May 31, 2017

S J H said:
Well done for clearing that up @DrDunc

A friend was quoted for xfence, £10 a roll less than what I'm paying for torus, at the grassland show.

I was paying £77 for torus and was quoted £104 for x fence 8/80/15 100m rolls this winter

I bought x fence 8/80/22 for £88 a roll

I haven't priced Torus 8/80/22 though.

james ds · May 31, 2017

DrDunc said:
Torus net is near £30 an 8/80/15 roll cheaper than xfence, but is it really an inferior product?

Technical specifications of the two are :

Torus
View attachment 527520 View attachment 527520

Xfence
View attachment 527522 View attachment 527522

The horizontal and vertical strengths of both types of net are on paper near enough the same.

However, when you read the x fence small print,the size of wire used in x fence is actually smaller

View attachment 527524

X fence uses 2.24mm diameter wire in their farmer livestock fence. This reduction of 20% in cross sectional area equates to a reduction in tensile strength of 20% unless different steel is used.

Torus net is therefore cheaper and stronger.

I've put up fences on my farm with both net types this winter for comparison. The x fence and Torus stands up itself exactly the same when tensioned. Xfence is slightly harder to tie off the end knots, despite the wire being being thinner.

View attachment 527532

View attachment 527534

Unless you must use x fence because you are using clipex stakes which have a non standard spacing of the horizontal wires, Torus net is a cheaper and stronger alternative. (I use class 4 or creosote wood stakes on my farm)

Torus is also British manufactured.

James makes money from selling the more expensive (more profitable) x fence and thinks it OK to rubbish the competition without declaring his financial interest.

Just to put you straight , I'm also a tornado dealer , I sell both , but ill only use Xfence on my own farm . The verticle wires in tornado are very easy to bend between your fingers , and almost impossible to bend between your figures in the Xfence , you also say it's harder to tie off Xfence which proves it is a harder wire which from my experience won't slacken over time compared to tornado , as for making money from selling wire , there is a lot more profit out of tornado compared to selling Xfence .

james ds · May 31, 2017

Smudge said:
So does x fence now have HT verticals?

Yes

DrDunc · May 31, 2017

james ds said:
Just to put you straight , I'm also a tornado dealer , I sell both , but ill only use Xfence on my own farm . The verticle wires in tornado are very easy to bend between your fingers , and almost impossible to bend between your figures in the Xfence , you also say it's harder to tie off Xfence which proves it is a harder wire which from my experience won't slacken over time compared to tornado , as for making money from selling wire , there is a lot more profit out of tornado compared to selling Xfence .

Tornado torus is stronger thicker wire,despite what your keep trying to assert.

It's also far less expensive to buy here, the difference in price is better off in my pocket than yours.

The main reason to use x fence is because it's the only net that fits the clipex stakes which are non standard horizontal spacing.

I don't see the point of cluttering up this thread any further with your unsubstantiated claims.

tepapa · May 31, 2017

james ds said:
Just to put you straight , I'm also a tornado dealer , I sell both , but ill only use Xfence on my own farm . The verticle wires in tornado are very easy to bend between your fingers , and almost impossible to bend between your figures in the Xfence , you also say it's harder to tie off Xfence which proves it is a harder wire which from my experience won't slacken over time compared to tornado , as for making money from selling wire , there is a lot more profit out of tornado compared to selling Xfence .

x fence is harder because of the higher carbon content. carbon is cheap so it is used to produce a cheaper wire not to add strength. tornado is made to same strength but more malleable for ease of use.

Post Driver · May 31, 2017

The irony is that Eurocorp who make X Fence are/were in trouble in NZ for selling re-bar that is below base limits for ductility. But these things happen and I highlight it in jest.

Is the tensile strength of the stay wire of any material difference anyway. The wraps on the top and bottom line wire will unwrap before it breaks

Y Fan Wen · May 31, 2017

tepapa said:
x fence is harder because of the higher carbon content. carbon is cheap so it is used to produce a cheaper wire not to add strength. tornado is made to same strength but more malleable for ease of use.

Mild steel is cheaper than high carbon steel. HC steel is still less than 1% carbon, so it is difficult to believe your statement.
Wikipedia:-
'High carbon steel: approximately 0.55% to 0.95% carbon content with 0.30 to 0.90% manganese content.[1] Very strong, used for springs and high-strength wires.'

tepapa · May 31, 2017

Y Fan Wen said:
Mild steel is cheaper than high carbon steel. HC steel is still less than 1% carbon, so it is difficult to believe your statement.
Wikipedia:-
'High carbon steel: approximately 0.55% to 0.95% carbon content with 0.30 to 0.90% manganese content.[1] Very strong, used for springs and high-strength wires.'

Well i just asked the experts and that was the answer i got. Theres more to steel than you think

foxirl · Aug 22, 2017

After reading all 31 pages ive made my mind up a an am looking at the clipex system for a straight line of just over 300 meters on an incline. Sheep wire and one strand of barbed. Hoping to put it up sometime in September but had a few questions before I buy. Would hope to install it myself to cut down on the cost

I am guessing a straining post in the middle would be needed along with 2 end strainers when you are looking at a run of over 300 meters.
If I tie off the wire at one end post and the middle strainer would a Gripple contractor tool be strong enough to get a good tension on the wire by tensioning from the middle ( would be tensioning about 160 meters at a time)
Can the strainer posts be driven by sledge ( not rocky ground) as don't have access to a post driver.

I'm sure I'll have more questions after a bit more research

Poorbuthappy · Aug 22, 2017

1 set Gripples in the middle will get it plenty tight enough. Just keep working up and down the strands, it'll just get tighter and tighter.
What type of strainer do you plan to use? The tube type can be driven with a drive all (better than a sledge), as can the beefy stakes. I made a smaller diameter drive all for the standard stakes. Rather than 1 strainer in the middle I'd go for beefy stakes where ever there's a bit of a change in incline. I think clipex recommend every 6th (?) stake with a beefy in any case, though depending on what its keeping in I think that's more than adequate.

foxirl · Aug 22, 2017

Poorbuthappy said:
1 Rather than 1 strainer in the middle I'd go for beefy stakes where ever there's a bit of a change in incline.

Is the drive all the metal tube with the two handles?
Ah I just took it for granted youd need another strainer when you have a run of over 300 meters. If you reckon a gripple tool will strain it enough I must add that to my shopping list too. Would the standard ones do https://mcveighparker.com/gripple-b...-tool/category_pathway-218/related_product-72
or do you recommend the contractor one. https://mcveighparker.com/tools-fix.../gripple-contractor-tool/category_pathway-374

Lastly if I dont need a middle strainer what would be a rough guess at how much the wire would pull. ie I'd want to know how much vertical wires to remove from the sheep wire to get a good tension. Would you be talking inches or feet.

Cheers

DrDunc · Aug 22, 2017

foxirl said:
Is the drive all the metal tube with the two handles?
Ah I just took it for granted youd need another strainer when you have a run of over 300 meters. If you reckon a gripple tool will strain it enough I must add that to my shopping list too. Would the standard ones do https://mcveighparker.com/gripple-b...-tool/category_pathway-218/related_product-72
or do you recommend the contractor one. https://mcveighparker.com/tools-fix.../gripple-contractor-tool/category_pathway-374

Lastly if I dont need a middle strainer what would be a rough guess at how much the wire would pull. ie I'd want to know how much vertical wires to remove from the sheep wire to get a good tension. Would you be talking inches or feet.

Cheers

You'll easily pull 300m to the middle with just a strainer either end.

The usual tensioning method is to use two boundary clamps, and two 6 meter chain pullers. With two pullers you can correct the top and bottom tension for undulations.

Depending upon terrain (which affects how the net is rolled out), it's easy to use a good 3metres of chain correctly tensioning up long pulls. That's an awful lot of wire stripping if you think you can tension it using a gripple tool!

Unless you tension any fence correctly, you're wasting your time and money, be it clipex, or wood stakes.

Poorbuthappy · Aug 22, 2017

Yes to the drive all.
Contractor type tool much better.
Personally I pull up some of the slack with a monkey chain before starting with the gripples. If just using gripples it'll be feet not inches.

ARW · Aug 22, 2017

Poorbuthappy said:
Yes to the drive all.
Contractor type tool much better.
Personally I pull up some of the slack with a monkey chain before starting with the gripples. If just using gripples it'll be feet not inches.

Yes we do the same, basically tighten with the monkey wrench then join with gripples, pulling 4ft of wire through a gripple at tension can make them prolapse, and it quicker

foxirl · Aug 22, 2017

Thanks to all for the replies. Though I might be able to do it with the gripple tensioner but looks like that's not an option. Must try get a loan of strainer then also.

Smudge · Aug 22, 2017

Get one of these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hausen-Ch...-Fence-Tensioner-Pull-Stretcher-/311873513463

And before anybody tells you they're no good, I've had Hayes and these. The Hayes are better, but not £100 better. And it's not like you're off contracting with it.

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