Overdraft requirements for coming growing season.

Overdraft requirements will be

  • Higher

    Votes: 21 11.7%
  • Same

    Votes: 63 35.2%
  • Lower

    Votes: 18 10.1%
  • Minted do not need an overdraft

    Votes: 77 43.0%

  • Total voters
    179

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
Look at the interest only mortgage as rent of land?

At £100acre rent how much could you pay for land at current interest rates?

Apart from rent is dead money, by paying interest only its allowing you to own a appreciating asset.

The borrowed money will become less every year due to inflation at 2.8%?
In theory yes
The last ten yr is like 1970-1980
Land went from £300 to £3000 back then
Those who bought in 1970 got lucky., those who bought in 1979 went bust when the price dropped back to £1000 or less
 
Look at the interest only mortgage as rent of land?

At £100acre rent how much could you pay for land at current interest rates?

Apart from rent is dead money, by paying interest only its allowing you to own a appreciating asset.

The borrowed money will become less every year due to inflation at 2.8%?
By paying interest only your just servicing debt not owning anything
 
Whats the problem with that?

I don't own anything at the moment, so no different to renting like we do at present. Except the banks my landlord
There is nothing wrong with it apart from I think that bank/ interest charges will outweigh inflation
Didn’t mark carney make a announcement this week inflation slowed to its lowest for a number of years
 

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
It never was for sale.
The 50% deposit requirement keeps tenants firmly in their place.
Until the uk fiscal regime changes, nothing will be sold
You can only deal with the opportunities that life presents. Most people can think of things they would have done differently with their lives had they had an extra £500,000 at their disposal at various points.
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
There is nothing wrong with it apart from I think that bank/ interest charges will outweigh inflation
Didn’t mark carney make a announcement this week inflation slowed to its lowest for a number of years
If land prices nosedive or interest rates rocket you could get caught out. Its certainly not riskfree.

If SNP get independence up here, i could see land prices dropping.
 
Agreed, but after paying way over the rental charge as interest payments to the bank in the meantime (even with an interest only mortgage).
I’m not saying it’s wrong, it’s just a fact that there is a higher cost to purchasing land than renting it as you would expect. @glasshouse saying he’s given £1m to his landlord doesn’t equate to having purchased the farm for the landlord, it wouldn’t even have paid the interest charges.
what about this scenario, borrow 1m for 150 acres bare land, 3% so 30k a year but inflation is 1.5% so you in reality its costing you 15k a year thats equivalent to £100/acre rent but you can then sub let for tatties and claim sub/envir payments too
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
You can only deal with the opportunities that life presents. Most people can think of things they would have done differently with their lives had they had an extra £500,000 at their disposal at various points.
That was not my point
Houses can be bought on ten percent deposit, so why not land?
 
There is nothing wrong with it apart from I think that bank/ interest charges will outweigh inflation
Didn’t mark carney make a announcement this week inflation slowed to its lowest for a number of years
are you not forgetting that you are unlikely to ever pay the 30k interest a year if you are profitable as itll be offest against tax, all the while inflation is making you money
 
It never was for sale.
The 50% deposit requirement keeps tenants firmly in their place.
Until the uk fiscal regime changes, nothing will be sold
Thing is you chose that option it’s no good looking back and blaming everyone else for what could/should have been
I think you have been very lucky to of had the opportunity to be chosen to even have long term tenancy some people don’t even get that!!
The world owes nobody anything everyone has their own choices
They all won’t be the right ones!!!
 

David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
what about this scenario, borrow 1m for 150 acres bare land, 3% so 30k a year but inflation is 1.5% so you in reality its costing you 15k a year thats equivalent to £100/acre rent but you can then sub let for tatties and claim sub/envir payments too
Surely you are still having to finance the £30k every year, doesn't matter what it will look like in 25yrs looking back.
 
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glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
Thing is you chose that option it’s no good looking back and blaming everyone else for what could/should have been
I think you have been very lucky to of had the opportunity to be chosen to even have long term tenancy some people don’t even get that!!
The world owes nobody anything everyone has their own choices
They all won’t be the right ones!!!
Why do you have to turn a discussion into a personal attack?
 

capfits

Member
And as we're now in a Japanese style low inflation world, will asset prices like land go up as they did before?

Japanese land prices certainty rose for a period.

But- as has been pointed out in other threads on here, the value of land is nowadays being fuelled by
the tax advantages it offers. I believe that property prices in Japan, where very low interest rates have
been the norm for 20 years, and they don't have the same tax perks, that property prices have stagnated.

they did not only half tank when they did bombed to about 1/4 of their peak.....
Attractive? Efficient?

 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 107 39.5%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 101 37.3%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 40 14.8%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 4 1.5%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 14 5.2%

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