Why are we already subservient to the EU other than because our politicians have progressively allowed us to be? Why do you think the majority voted to address the issue by leaving? We should be talking to each other as equals and certainly not as serfs. The EU are trying to railroad us into a position where they call all the shots and you simply cannot, or refuse not, to see it.
Sabre rattling
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Farmer1001
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As of end of Jan we became a subservient state of the EU. I have absolutely no doubt the EU are trying to ensure it stays that way, but it’s not their choice, it’s ours.
Danllan
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Love it! Time may be 'wasted' on you, I'll grant that (but I can spare it for the fun of it
), but the vast majority of TFF - in terms of both its members and its content - is not something I would ever regard as a waste of time. Passing amusement is one thing but, for myself at least, I wouldn't miss out on the pooled-knowledge, so no, not wasting time 'on here', just with you, probably. The thing is, you probably really believe that... in fact you've probably convinced yourself into a rather odd Catch 22, wherein we were subservient as members, because we had to obey the rules as members, but are subservient out of it because we'll have to obey the rules while not members. Can't argue with the former, but the latter is not the case.
Farmer1001
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Whilst you believe (and I tend to agree) we became a subservient state whilst members, this was mainly due to (as @arcobob says) our politicians allowing us to be, as such our decision. But today, right now we are most definitely a subservient state because we are obeying the rules of the EU and paying for the priveledge, but no longer a member. So the latter is without doubt - the case, and (crucially) was our decision. I'd encourage those on here, who believe the EU is somehow forcing us to do something against our will, that actually our future is in our hands, the EU can demand what they want but can't force us to accept anything. As such we have no fear of what the EU are trying to do, but lots to fear by what our own politicians may do. But I suppose if team BoJo gree for the UK to remain that subservient state, then it will be more palatable if "we" claim the EU forced us into it when in reality it was our decision. Btw I'm not aware the EU has forced any trading partner to become a subservient state but I (as a f^ckwit) can't be sure so you will correct my ignorance no doubt. I think we've exhausted this merry go round. Tomorrow's a new day. ?Love it! Time may be 'wasted' on you, I'll grant that (but I can spare it for the fun of it
The thing is, you probably really believe that... in fact you've probably convinced yourself into a rather odd Catch 22, wherein we were subservient as members, because we had to obey the rules as members, but are subservient out of it because we'll have to obey the rules while not members. Can't argue with the former, but the latter is not the case.
Danllan
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The emboldened is what I have stated from the start.
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- Bay of Plenty NZ
Already done my homework, Norway operates in the way that you strongly object to. Forgive the copy and paste below, this was straight out of my homework book.
"As member state of the European Economic Area
, Norway fully applies the whole acquis communautaire relevant to the four freedoms (free movement of goods, persons, services and capital), along with that pertinent to flanking policies (ie transport, competition, social policy, consumer protection, environment, statistics and company law). As a result, the EEA agreement provides for a high degree of economic integration, common competition rules, rules for state aid and government procurement."
Interestingly many of the Brexitears promoted a Norway model, others were wanting to join the EEA ( conveniently ignoring the fact that the EEA may not want the UK ) and yet when a similar deal is put forward from the EU they hold their hands up in horror and do not want a bar of it, Hypocrites.
The solution seems to me to be quite simple, if you do not agree with the terms of trade from the EU or cannot negotiate a trade agreement that is suitable for both parties then do not have a trade deal and go for what the hard liner Brexitears really want which is a no deal Brexit and WTO rules, best of luck with that option.
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From listening to the French Europe Minister on the Marr show yesterday,i think we havent got a hope in hell of reaching any kind of deal.I think the present cabinet dont want one either,inspite of anything they might say.Interesting times ahead indeed.Already done my homework, Norway operates in the way that you strongly object to. Forgive the copy and paste below, this was straight out of my homework book.
"As member state of the European Economic Area
As a result, the EEA agreement provides for a high degree of economic integration, common competition rules, rules for state aid and government procurement."
Interestingly many of the Brexitears promoted a Norway model, others were wanting to join the EEA ( conveniently ignoring the fact that the EEA may not want the UK ) and yet when a similar deal is put forward from the EU they hold their hands up in horror and do not want a bar of it, Hypocrites.
The solution seems to me to be quite simple, if you do not agree with the terms of trade from the EU or cannot negotiate a trade agreement that is suitable for both parties then do not have a trade deal and go for what the hard liner Brexitears really want which is a no deal Brexit and WTO rules, best of luck with that option.
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Well, what a surprise! The EU will only grant a deal that suits them. Theresa Mays deal wasn’t a Brexit which is why it failed. The EU don’t want a deal that the UK would find acceptable because it would leave the door open for others to potentially follow suit, so there we have it, no deal is the most likely outcome.
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Well what a surprise, the UK Brexitears only want a deal that suits them, not one that is mutually beneficial. They also want a deal that no one else has. Why?
No deal is the most likely outcome due to the intransigence of the UK government, as per usual those opposed to the EU find them to blame for everything.
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Whereas the EU side are trying to make very easy for us after we leave, and of course they are all in agreement over what they want, not.
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Actually I originally voted remain! But we live in a democracy (I think) so we are leaving.
Danllan
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- Sir Gar / Carms
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Come on then,tell us what they are writing and from what source.And not just from the European equivalent of the Daily Express.You're not reading the national media in the various European 'states' are you?
Have been reading the French local paper and watching news here, they are concerned and the dairy farmers are already complaining about the loss of exports to china, just think what they would say if prices drop on exports to the uk to cover the tariffs
Danllan
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You can google, look at Danish media for a start, they're concerned about pork, fishing, tech and finance. Then look at the Dutch, the Belgians, the French, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Germans etc., obviously they're not all airing concerns over the same sort of things, but the sentiments that they are expressing are the same: set the dogma aside and make a sensible deal.
Where are you?
Farmer1001
Member
Tell em to think themselves lucky, French exports (under ND) of cheddar and butter to the Uk will be subject to 7% and 15% tariffs respectively whereas U.K exports the other way are 57% and 47% respectively, so whilst the French may see a shrinking of the Uk market, they can captilise on the back of UK cheese being 58% more expensive in France than it is now. The other interesting observation is their reaction to the loss of demand in China - there's a lesson here for a country who sees the future trade outside the EU (primarily China) as a better prospect than with the EU.
A place called st gervais les bains, its 15 miles from chamonix and about 4 from where the guy from Singapore stayed who brought the Corona virus to Brighton, dont think I've caught it yet though.
It's been a real eye opener staying for an extended time in France on how it is losing its identity compared to years ago, most of the telly is dubbed UK or US imports or their version of uk/US reality sh!t, far more imported cars these days too. They aren't a happy bunch at the moment that's for sure, my spoken French is not fluent but I can read papers without trouble
Not sure how much cheddar France buys, I've never seen any English cheese in all the years I've been coming, it's a good job food in the UK doesn't cost as much as it does here the country would riot, it's even worse if you buy it in the resorts rather than drive to the nearest big town where it's a lot cheaper
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You are staying in one of the more affluent areas of France. Cheaper in the sticks. Baguette is ,35 centimes in town and a euro from the depot de pain