National grid alert

Exfarmer · Dec 3, 2020

I have just received an alert from the National Grid that demand this afternoon will be within 1/3rd % as I understand of capacity.
Time to check your generators! And put your electric cars away.
But, what are we doing in this situation?

Karliboy · Dec 3, 2020

Funny we just had a quick 30 seconds power cut about 11.45

dudders · Dec 3, 2020

Plug in a few more gadgets, let 'er blow.

Yale · Dec 3, 2020

Exfarmer said:
I have just received an alert from the National Grid that demand this afternoon will be within 1/3rd % as I understand of capacity.
Time to check your generators! And put your electric cars away.
But, what are we doing in this situation?

Any links?

Yale · Dec 3, 2020

@Exfarmer

This is why we need more Visnets throughout the UK to monitor the health of the grid.

They allow DNO’s to know the health of their transmission network instead of being blind to faults until they happen.

A great product from a British company.

https://www.eatechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/VisNet-brochure.pdf

Highland Mule · Dec 3, 2020

https://gbcmn.nationalgrideso.com

Electricity Capacity Market Notice Currently Active
Posted by National Grid Electricity System Operator at 11:34am on Thursday 3rd December 2020

Commencement time of notice 4:00pm on Thursday 3rd December 2020
Circumstances that triggered notice Margin below threshold set out in Capacity Market Rules
Transmission Demand and Operating Margin (MW) 46,017
Aggregate Capacity of BM Units expected (MW) 46,303
Additional Capacity (MW) No definitive information regarding additional capacity is currently available to the Electricity System Operator.
Capacity Market participants are advised to review the System Warnings page on BMRS for potential additional operational warnings from the Electricity System Operator. This notice is published pursuant to Rule 8.4.6 / 11.3.5 of the Capacity Market Rules
Participants are also advised to pay close attention to De-rated Margin (DRM) information on the BMRS website that will be updated 3 times (4 hour, 2 hour and 1 hour ahead) in advance of the "commencement time" of this Capacity Market Notice.

Yale · Dec 3, 2020

Highland Mule said:
https://gbcmn.nationalgrideso.com

Electricity Capacity Market Notice Currently Active
Posted by National Grid Electricity System Operator at 11:34am on Thursday 3rd December 2020

Commencement time of notice 4:00pm on Thursday 3rd December 2020
Circumstances that triggered notice Margin below threshold set out in Capacity Market Rules
Transmission Demand and Operating Margin (MW) 46,017
Aggregate Capacity of BM Units expected (MW) 46,303
Additional Capacity (MW) No definitive information regarding additional capacity is currently available to the Electricity System Operator.
Capacity Market participants are advised to review the System Warnings page on BMRS for potential additional operational warnings from the Electricity System Operator. This notice is published pursuant to Rule 8.4.6 / 11.3.5 of the Capacity Market Rules
Participants are also advised to pay close attention to De-rated Margin (DRM) information on the BMRS website that will be updated 3 times (4 hour, 2 hour and 1 hour ahead) in advance of the "commencement time" of this Capacity Market Notice.

Must have changed their minds......it’s been cancelled. :scratchhead:

Highland Mule · Dec 3, 2020

Yale said:
Must have changed their minds......it’s been cancelled.

Happened in September as well. The wholesale price of power would have gone up, some standby generators would have got themselves primed and some of the big consumers might have agreed to turn down their consumption until after teatime. I worked with an outfit a few years ago who consumed a huge amount of power (£M+ per bill) and got it at preferential rate because they agreed to not have firm supplies.

Christoph1945 · Dec 3, 2020

Stop boiling all those kettles for tea and drink alcohol instead; probably will not make any difference to power cuts but when they do arrive you probably wont give a dam!

Doing it for the kids · Dec 3, 2020

Exfarmer said:
I have just received an alert from the National Grid that demand this afternoon will be within 1/3rd % as I understand of capacity.
Time to check your generators! And put your electric cars away.
But, what are we doing in this situation?

And it’s not even cold yet!

I hope the planning officers all suffer greatly, their freezers defrost and the cars loose power so they get stranded!

Christoph1945 · Dec 3, 2020

Doing it for the kids said:
And it’s not even cold yet!

I hope the planning officers all suffer greatly, their freezers defrost and the cars loose power so they get stranded!

Always be careful what you hope, wish, or pray for, you just might get it!

Exfarmer · Dec 3, 2020

Still goes to show how close to the line we are, seems absolutely crazy. If this was a farmer and lost his power , would he have any comeback if say a house full of broilers suffocated , they would tell him he should a back up. But here we have the National grid working right up to the wire

Ffermer Bach · Dec 3, 2020

Christoph1945 said:
Stop boiling all those kettles for tea and drink alcohol instead; probably will not make any difference to power cuts but when they do arrive you probably wont give a dam!

can only drink alcohol up to 6pm as of friday, after that it is tea ,pubs have to stop serving at 6pm, as Covid is more infectious after 6, so air raid warden Hodges ( or was his name first minister Drakeford?) has decreed.

Doing it for the kids · Dec 3, 2020

Christoph1945 said:
Always be careful what you hope, wish, or pray for, you just might get it!

Exfarmer said:
Still goes to show how close to the line we are, seems absolutely crazy. If this was a farmer and lost his power , would he have any comeback if say a house full of broilers suffocated , they would tell him he should a back up. But here we have the National grid working right up to the wire

At the risk of going on about it, NG are regularly freaking out over this but it’s not made very public - yet

Grassman · Dec 3, 2020

Not enough wind?

Doing it for the kids · Dec 3, 2020

Dull day as well - imagine if it was -6!

Exfarmer · Dec 3, 2020

Grassman said:
Not enough wind?

And dont even talk to me about a lack of sunshine, figures this autumn are worst I think we have had!

Still Farming · Dec 3, 2020

Exfarmer said:
I have just received an alert from the National Grid that demand this afternoon will be within 1/3rd % as I understand of capacity.
Time to check your generators! And put your electric cars away.
But, what are we doing in this situation?

Wait for "The beast ftom the East "again???
They be soon TRYING to rebuild and restoke the old coal fired power stations back up their trying to pull down????

Still Farming · Dec 3, 2020

Exfarmer said:
And dont even talk to me about a lack of sunshine, figures this autumn are worst I think we have had!

Wind is good though!

Doing it for the kids · Dec 3, 2020

Still Farming said:
Wind is good though!

Not today though....

This is the point though, we are vulnerable with just renewables

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