Bit coin scam

Pasty

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Meanwhile El Salvador are looking to make it a legal currency to solve the problem of 70% of their population being bankless. Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil are also looking at it seriously. Interesting that the media have started a fear campaign. Sounds sponsored from the fearful. It is no way a ponzi, it's digital gold and that's why they are afraid because they can't control it. It's fallen 80% or so a few times and shortly after reached a new all time high.

As I said, I'm not in Bitcoin, I just find it interesting.
 

Pasty

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The issue I have with Bitcoin is the sheer market cap. It takes a lot of financial energy to pump the price. Like government level. Elon just killed it and everything else went with it. It's not a scam, anymore than gold. But if you are in crypto you have to roll with the punches. Of course, HEX has performed best out of all of it but then I did mention that many months ago and apparently that is also a scam. Do your own research as usual.
Imagine if you had bought HEX at around a penny when I posted about this scam. You would be kicking yourself now. Not to mention the duplicate stakes you will get on the new pulsechain and the 40% APR.

 

Trutti

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Imagine if you had bought HEX at around a penny when I posted about this scam. You would be kicking yourself now. Not to mention the duplicate stakes you will get on the new pulsechain and the 40% APR.

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Trutti

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El Salvador have just adopted BTC as a legal currency. Most of South America will follow to ditch the dollar. I have no interest in Bitcoin but I think this could actually be a paradigm shift which are far rarer than people think. Interesting times.
Yes, I did notice that…huge problems. As an Analyst used to say”after the human element is taken out it’s just maths”….his language was a bit more colourful, as a btw, he was worth every penny of his eye watering fees. Who knows, but as you say, very interesting…..but like comedy….all down to the timing.
 

Pasty

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Devon
Plus Elon got told to shut up about BTC or he would lose some sort of tax breaks. I think the whole crypto space is kind of being manipulated at the mo.
 

Exfarmer

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El Salvador have just adopted BTC as a legal currency. Most of South America will follow to ditch the dollar. I have no interest in Bitcoin but I think this could actually be a paradigm shift which are far rarer than people think. Interesting times.
Actually El Salvador does not officially use BTC till September. I very much doubt the man on the street will use it. They adopted the dollar 20 years ago to recognise the fact that the population were not using the local currency, which they did not trust due to inflation. This is just the same as large parts of Africa.
If the government starts paying the civil servants etc and BTC hasonw of its down cycles , I can see another revolution.
The people will far sooner have a currency they can see and trust evenif the face value in the states has absolutely no connection to its local value
 

Pasty

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The President is a bit alternative I think
It was more a publicity stunt
Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil all interested.

Only 30% of the population of El Salvador have a bank account. Poverty creates crime. Take out the thieving bankers and the world might be a nicer place.
 

Exfarmer

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Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil all interested.

Only 30% of the population of El Salvador have a bank account. Poverty creates crime. Take out the thieving bankers and the world might be a nicer place.
But surely a paper currency takes the small guy out of the hands of the bankers!
Dread to think how they will cope when their life savings are in the hands of a computer nerd?
I dont believe it will ever happen, whatever some government may decree
 

Pasty

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It took over five hours average time to process a transaction on Saturday too - how would that work with doing your grocery shopping? Typical averages are well into the tens of minutes too.
Doesn't work like that at all. Transactions will be aggregated by exchanges. Say you had a Wirex card in the UK. Load up some Bitcoin and you've got chip and pin instantly the same as any other Mastercard.
 

Pasty

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1000 private individuals own 40% of all bitcoin

20% has been lost forever

and its safer than fiat currencies?
Did you know that 35% of all dollars in existence have been printed since the start of 2020? Have a think on that and what it does to your money. Your savings account, ISA, emergency fund, pension. Now look at the inflation in raw materials which has exploded. Some folk are going to be seriously disappointed. Fiat currency is the real ponzi because they need to print more and more and more to stay ahead of the game and that destroys everyone's wealth except the top 1%.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
Doesn't work like that at all. Transactions will be aggregated by exchanges. Say you had a Wirex card in the UK. Load up some Bitcoin and you've got chip and pin instantly the same as any other Mastercard.

Wirex does that by doing real time exchange back into proper money though, so the transaction takes place in Sterling or whatever and not in BTC.
 

Pasty

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Devon
Wirex does that by doing real time exchange back into proper money though, so the transaction takes place in Sterling or whatever and not in BTC.
Yes, that's what I said. They will create a transaction pool and exchange for fake money in one go in order to settle those payments. But you get the price appreciation or deprecation in BTC in the mean time.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
Yes, that's what I said. They will create a transaction pool and exchange for fake money in one go in order to settle those payments. But you get the price appreciation or deprecation in BTC in the mean time.

So the transaction isn't actually happening in BTC at all, and BTC is no use for actually transactions, just as a semi-instant access investment. No real difference from any other asset class then - you sell the paper and change it into something that is tradeable, then trade with that instead. Kinda different from the BTC having a place as a proper currency.
 

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