My Pruex trial

Benr · Jan 26, 2020

We have taken the leap of faith.....been injecting everything for joint ill for the last 3 years after a bad outbreak. But using a Pruex this year together with their advice about water bowls etc and not jabbing. ? it works or I will be swearing chasing lame lambs around the field in a weeks time!!

Y Fan Wen · Jan 26, 2020

Talking to Micron at LAMMA they were saying their ulva sales are now all to Pruex users rather than us bracken sprayers 'cos the clearance for Asulox and ulva was withdrawn a few years ago.

Macsky · Jan 26, 2020

Is there much point in adding it to drinkers if the water is from the mains, as it will be chlorinated, will it not just kill the bacteria, good and bad?

I have reservations about stock having access to chlorinated drinking water, obviously better than water infected with pathogens, but can’t be optimum surely as ruminants rely so heavily on the bacterial populations of their stomachs?

neilo · Jan 26, 2020

Macsky said:
Is there much point in adding it to drinkers if the water is from the mains, as it will be chlorinated, will it not just kill the bacteria, good and bad?

I have reservations about stock having access to chlorinated drinking water, obviously better than water infected with pathogens, but can’t be optimum surely as ruminants rely so heavily on the bacterial populations of their stomachs?

My troughs are straight off the mains here. I replaced the water troughs in my lambing shed with 2 bowl drinkers, which has helped to keep water cleaner & fresher.
However, if you run your fingers across the surface of the bowl you can still feel a greasy film under the water, which is the ‘biofilm’ referred to on the Pruex website. When I squirt a bit of Pruex in each one every day, that film disappears/doesn’t build up.
Does it make a difference? It surely helps.

tr250 · Feb 5, 2020

Anyone else struggling to get hold of anyone at pruex I’ve been trying all day yesterday and today either line busy or no answer

Old Tip · Feb 5, 2020

tr250 said:
Anyone else struggling to get hold of anyone at pruex I’ve been trying all day yesterday and today either line busy or no answer

Same here, very poor ?

Bullabong · Feb 5, 2020

I phoned and spoke to a girl in the office on Monday to order a swab kit which arrived today, so there’s definitely someone about.

neilo · Feb 5, 2020

It’s only a small company.

Old Tip · Feb 5, 2020

neilo said:
It’s only a small company.

If they answered their emails it would help lower the phone calls

tr250 · Feb 5, 2020

in fairness they rang me back later this afternoon and explained that 2 staff were abroad working and the rest at a show and taking phone calls diverted to a mobile. So have promised to ring me back tomorrow to put my order through and take payment

neilo · Feb 5, 2020

tr250 said:
in fairness they rang me back later this afternoon and explained that 2 staff were abroad working and the rest at a show and taking phone calls diverted to a mobile. So have promised to ring me back tomorrow to put my order through and take payment

Isn’t it the dairy-tech thingy at Stoneleigh today? I expect they’ll have a stand there, or they should have.

Edit: yes, they are on the exhibitor list.

tr250 · Feb 5, 2020

neilo said:
Isn’t it the dairy-tech thingy at Stoneleigh today? I expect they’ll have a stand there, or they should have.

Yes she did say it was dairy tech I just temporarily forgot

Benr · Feb 13, 2020

How is everyone getting on with Pruex?
Disappointed to say we are starting to see what looks like joint ill.
We have been meticulous with cleaning the water bowls everyday and adding Pruex and spraying the lambing shed with correct amount. Lambing pens are cleaned out after every ewe and navels are dipped with iodine ASAP and then dipped again when tailed....what else can you do - bloody job

mezz · Feb 13, 2020

Benr said:
How is everyone getting on with Pruex?
Disappointed to say we are starting to see what looks like joint ill.
We have been meticulous with cleaning the water bowls everyday and adding Pruex and spraying the lambing shed with correct amount. Lambing pens are cleaned out after every ewe and navels are dipped with iodine ASAP and then dipped again when tailed....what else can you do - bloody job

Dipping navels into the same bottle can spread joint ill. We started spraying navels with iodine instead, but still have a small bit of joint ill. Obviously pouring a bit into a tincture and dipping with that and tipping away would work.

Also heard someone say the 10% iodine is too strong as it dries the navel too fast and cause it to crack, letting in infection. He started mixing the 10% iodine half and half with methelated spirits. He said that reduced joint ill. Might try that this year, although my father is against it.

Edit: the spraying has reduced it over dipping

ISCO · Feb 13, 2020

mezz said:
Dipping navels into the same bottle can spread joint ill. We started spraying navels with iodine instead, but still have a small bit of joint ill. Obviously pouring a bit into a tincture and dipping with that and tipping away would work.

Also heard someone say the 10% iodine is too strong as it dries the navel too fast and cause it to crack, letting in infection. He started mixing the 10% iodine half and half with methelated spirits. He said that reduced joint ill. Might try that this year, although my father is against it.

We use iodine mixed with Surgical spirit

primmiemoo · Feb 13, 2020

mezz said:
Dipping navels into the same bottle can spread joint ill. We started spraying navels with iodine instead, but still have a small bit of joint ill. Obviously pouring a bit into a tincture and dipping with that and tipping away would work.

Also heard someone say the 10% iodine is too strong as it dries the navel too fast and cause it to crack, letting in infection. He started mixing the 10% iodine half and half with methelated spirits. He said that reduced joint ill. Might try that this year, although my father is against it.

Edit: the spraying has reduced it over dipping

I wouldn't use meths at all. 10% Veterinary iodine is absolutely fine to spray navels with. Just don't over spray or under spray, and make sure to spray a second time if a navel stays wet.

I agree about not dipping navels into the same bottle. The iodine shouldn't be allowed to become contaminated.

organicguy · Feb 13, 2020

primmiemoo said:
I wouldn't use meths at all. 10% Veterinary iodine is absolutely fine to spray navels with. Just don't over spray or under spray, and make sure to spray a second time if a navel stays wet.

I agree about not dipping navels into the same bottle. The iodine shouldn't be allowed to become contaminated.

Surely if the iodine becomes contaminated it's not up to the job of kill the bacteria. Thats not worded very well. Any bacteria which get into the iodine should be killed, hence no cross contamination.

Dairyfarmerswife · Feb 13, 2020

organicguy said:
Surely if the iodine becomes contaminated it's not up to the job of kill the bacteria. Thats not worded very well. Any bacteria which get into the iodine should be killed, hence no cross contamination.

Yep that's how I would imagine it works too. We use a non return teat dip cup (for calves). It needs squeezing up to refill after one or two calves anyway, or gets knocked over. We think you get better coverage dipping Vs spraying.

Just started calving and found a drum of Pruex animal housing stabiliser lying around that we briefly tried as a post teat spray. Going to use it in the calf housing and see if it makes the pens drier.

mezz · Feb 13, 2020

organicguy said:
Surely if the iodine becomes contaminated it's not up to the job of kill the bacteria. Thats not worded very well. Any bacteria which get into the iodine should be killed, hence no cross contamination.

That's what we thought, but heard of someone who used to dip navels in a bottle and had a problem with joint ill, so got the solution tested. It was found to be carrying bacteria. They changed and solved the problem.

We have less now we are spraying, but don't know whether that spraying is the cause of the reduction. Get a few every year, but think that rubber tailing rings is causing it as the lambs are slightly older and often have a slight wound on the tail. Looking at using a hot iron instead.

A non return cup would be better, but didn't know of them and didn't want to be decanting for every couple of lambs.

Bury the Trash · Feb 13, 2020

Sounds to me like homeopathy

Dip or spray, the best chance to be free of bug infection is to be born smooth and quick, and up and sucky titty , bellyfull of milk as soon as .

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