Limex

Derrick Hughes · Aug 1, 2020

Mounty said:
I've never seen that claim anywhere ever. Where does it say that?

Due to the very fine particle size and consistency we apply LimeX at the same rate as ground lime stone despite the lower NV to achieve the same pH lift.

LimeX is a co-product of sugar beet manufacturing derived from high-purity limestone

I'm not trying to big it up. I was told yesterday by the team that the lime is heated that makes it more available
I dont give a monkeys if its good or bad ,just want to know either way

I will check with them again Monday, but will alm these things I will try it myself and retest next year

Cab-over Pete · Aug 1, 2020

Just in case you were wondering what limex is @Mounty

Mounty · Aug 1, 2020

Derrick Hughes said:
Due to the very fine particle size and consistency we apply LimeX at the same rate as ground lime stone despite the lower NV to achieve the same pH lift.

LimeX is a co-product of sugar beet manufacturing derived from high-purity limestone

I'm not trying to big it up. I was told yesterday by the team that the lime is heated that makes it more available
I dont give a monkeys if its good or bad ,just want to know either way

I will check with them again Monday, but will alm these things I will try it myself and retest next year

PLEEEASE don't waste your time telling me all these facts about it. We sell and spread 000's of tonnes of it every year. I know a fair bit about it. I'm just trying to prevent you from stating facts about it that are not true/unfounded on a public forum to prevent misleading others.
As for applying at the same rates as other liming materials despite it's lower NV I've attached 'their' suggested application rates.
I'd love to be applying ground lime at these rates.

Pistonbroke · Aug 1, 2020

This may be completely wrong,but one fert rep told me that prilled lime is sugar lime/ limex which is why it's ground finer,works quicker and smells sweet,the sugar helping it stick in prills

Mounty · Aug 1, 2020

Nope!! It does not smell sweet!! They keep the sugary bit!!

Cab-over Pete · Aug 1, 2020

It’s enough to make you strike your granny....

Kevtherev · Aug 1, 2020

There is no substitute for proper Ag lime.

Derrick Hughes · Aug 1, 2020

Mounty said:
PLEEEASE don't waste your time telling me all these facts about it. We sell and spread 000's of tonnes of it every year. I know a fair bit about it. I'm just trying to prevent you from stating facts about it that are not true/unfounded on a public forum to prevent misleading others.
As for applying at the same rates as other liming materials despite it's lower NV I've attached 'their' suggested application rates.
I'd love to be applying ground lime at these rates.
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it was you who asked where I got the information, Why do you sell so much if its crap , and I aint misleading anyone, I'm just repeating what I've been told and is avaible to see on THERE website which clear states sread at the same rate as ground limstone , like I also said I know nothing about it ,

But as always I will try a few loads and test next year to see the results
I will then

Mounty · Aug 1, 2020

Derrick Hughes said:
it was you who asked where I got the information, Why do you sell so much if its crap , and I aint misleading anyone, I'm just repeating what I've been told and is avaible to see on THERE website which clear states sread at the same rate as ground limstone , like I also said I know nothing about it ,

But as always I will try a few loads and test next year to see the results
I will then

I was questioning where you got the fact it contained Nitrogen from. Nowhere does it say that on their website. You were talking about the wet sludge product this morning which is 22% NV. You then quoted the NV of the dry version at 30%. I can't see anywhere on their website where it says you can apply the same rates as ground lime. Did you see the suggested rates I posted above??? We do sell a lot but I never said it's crap so don't quote me as saying that. If what you've been told is not true then I'm afraid it is misleading when you repeat it.

Derrick Hughes · Aug 1, 2020

Seems yiu missunder stood about Nitrogen sorry . DAD was using the Wet version in days before internet , no websites then . The rep used to say it had nitrogen in . He may have been lying

neilo · Aug 1, 2020

Derrick Hughes said:
Seems yiu missunder stood about Nitrogen sorry . DAD was using the Wet version in days before internet , no websites then . The rep used to say it had nitrogen in . He may have been lying

Salesmen have a habit of saying anything that’s needed to secure a sale. One of the great things about the internet is that they can’t make unsubstantiated claims without being found out, if anyone cares to look into it.

Kevtherev · Aug 1, 2020

Derrick Hughes · Aug 1, 2020

Kevtherev said:
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Derrick Hughes · Aug 2, 2020

Different Country I know and we have no idea what lime was used but process is the same , interesting though
It was Curtis &Co who sold it down here

Derrick Hughes · Aug 2, 2020

Not trying to be difficult here but this clearly shows there was small amounts of nitrogen in the beet lime , mabie the process has changed over the years

Cab-over Pete · Aug 2, 2020

Derrick, I really do sometimes wish there was a “christ, I need to pull the most exasperated face” emoji!

Whilst there is, on paper, undoubtedly some N content listed, it is in such minute amounts as to be useless. You, quite literally, might as well pi$$ in the ocean for all the good it does. In fact, pee on your own fields and gain more N that way than using Limex.

I see what you’re doing, trying different things and reporting your findings for farmers to see, which is all great. You have nothing to lose by taking advice from people like @Mounty whose business goes back many decades supplying everything you could wish to know about for pH correction and crop nutrition.

Similarly, he has nothing to gain, so it’s not biased advice. Nobody said Limex is crap, nobody has said any product you have tried is crap, it’s just that the cost efficiencies have been challenged.

Your subject is good and your points valid, but just don’t keep repeating the same stuff. It won’t change the outcome.

Derrick Hughes · Aug 2, 2020

Well perhaps if he has said there was very little nitrogen instead of insisting there was none, we could have moved on
But at least we have cleared that up[emoji1]
And I can assure you I did not pee on the sample [emoji23]

Derrick Hughes · Aug 2, 2020

Bu for anyone who is interested , I have tested a 90 acre block , after next cut of silage I'm spreading 3 liming products , re sampling in a years time , the man who does the sampling works for adas so totally independent,

Mounty · Aug 2, 2020

Derrick Hughes said:
Well perhaps if he has said there was very little nitrogen instead of insisting there was none, we could have moved on
But at least we have cleared that up[emoji1]
And I can assure you I did not pee on the sample [emoji23]

I was referring to the current product as I thought you were, not a product from decades ago that I've had nothing to do with. Even then the content was minimal and availability almost non existent. Nowhere does the current spec mention anything about N content therefore I couldn't agree to that fact as it's not proven.
Even the current nutrient content of P2O5, MgO and So3 has to be put into context. If you sold the product in tonne bags, the label on the bag would legally have to declare 0% of any nutrient content. Nutrient declaration is also stated as typical, not minimum, so some loads will contain less nutrient content than stated.

There is some contradictory info about Limex from their own site. The info @Kevtherev has posted states NV of the Limex70 is 25%, yet their website states 30%?? Also a post I saw (that I think @Derrick Hughes has now deleted) stating that British Sugar suggest Limex can be applied at the same rates as ground lime is totally contradicted by the current application rates on their website. If me and @Cab-over Pete were applying ground lime at most of those rates we'd have both retired to Monaco a long time ago. Like Pete says, I have nothing to gain whatsoever, I'm just trying to balance some of your facts. Good luck @Derrick Hughes with your trials and look forward to the results. Why don't you post up the pH findings from your independent test so we have something to look back at and compare?

Derrick Hughes · Aug 2, 2020

This one had Cotwolds Lime 8 years ago , was 5.3 at the time, very impressed with that how its lasted , thats the first quarry Pete Recomend , not sure if you can get it now

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