8% cut, every year, in fossil fuel use.

[delilah]

Just been on the radio news that the only way to avert climate crisis (their words) is to reduce fossil fuel use by 8% every year, starting now.

I would see this as a massive opportunity to promote UK home production of food, primarily through reduced food miles. Any suggestions on how to get this message across ? Anyone on here in a position of influence to take this forward ? Or am I wrong that increased home production would reduce fossil fuel use ?

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Just been on the radio news that the only way to avert climate crisis (their words) is to reduce fossil fuel use by 8% every year, starting now.

I would see this as a massive opportunity to promote UK home production of food, primarily through reduced food miles. Any suggestions on how to get this message across ? Anyone on here in a position of influence to take this forward ? Or am I wrong that increased home production would reduce fossil fuel use ?

Probably yes and no,the use of the myth of "food miles" I thought was dismissed years ago, believe that when you look holistically for example lamb from the UK versus lamb from New Zealand, one has food miles, one doesn't, and one has a lower carbon footprint than the other even if it has been shipped to the other side of the world much like the last 130 odd years.
From memory the most inefficient part of New Zealand lambs carbon footprint was final distribution within the UK.
As a side issue how self sufficient are UK food supplies, 60%? So do you import the balance or restrict or totally control the market via supply management?
Or like after Brexit is completed just do trade under WTO rules....?
Oh regardless of where your lamb comes from , just make sure you have a good bottle of pinot noir to complement it....?

 

[farmerm]

Just been on the radio news that the only way to avert climate crisis (their words) is to reduce fossil fuel use by 8% every year, starting now.

I would see this as a massive opportunity to promote UK home production of food, primarily through reduced food miles. Any suggestions on how to get this message across ? Anyone on here in a position of influence to take this forward ? Or am I wrong that increased home production would reduce fossil fuel use ?

The only wat to avert the climate crisis would be to cut the global population by 8% every year, starting now.....

 

[Exfarmer]

Probably yes and no,the use of the myth of "food miles" I thought was dismissed years ago, believe that when you look holistically for example lamb from the UK versus lamb from New Zealand, one has food miles, one doesn't, and one has a lower carbon footprint than the other even if it has been shipped to the other side of the world much like the last 130 odd years.
From memory the most inefficient part of New Zealand lambs carbon footprint was final distribution within the UK.
As a side issue how self sufficient are UK food supplies, 60%? So do you import the balance or restrict or totally control the market via supply management?
Or like after Brexit is completed just do trade under WTO rules....?
Oh regardless of where your lamb comes from , just make sure you have a good bottle of pinot noir to complement it....?

So could you explain , how New Zealand lamb has a lower footprint than Welsh.

 

[farmerm]

So could you explain , how New Zealand lamb has a lower footprint than Welsh.

http://mirinz.org.nz/docs/03-Carbon-footprint-NZ-lamb-Stewart-Ledgard.pdf

 

[David.]

There is no political will to enforce such reductions, that would require real decisions that would bring pain to the electorate.
Far better to embrace the illusion of offsetting, and find somebody somewhere to plant a tree so that everyone can carry on driving SUVs on the school run, and flying around the globe to wring hands at climate conferences as usual.

 

[Exfarmer]

http://mirinz.org.nz/docs/03-Carbon-footprint-NZ-lamb-Stewart-Ledgard.pdf

Would you like to explain that in English
there is nothing between the fancy pie charts which show anything at all!

 

[Bald Rick]

Just been to York (& back) today that involved travelling on A55, M56, M6, M62/60, M1/A1 & A64.
All the roads were rammed.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Reducing fossil fuel use in that timeframe would crash economies and obliterate our standard of living. Never going to happen.

 

[deleted user 837354]

I want someone to tell me the plan for the developing world because many of these countries have not had any access to cheap energy at all yet.

 

[MF 168]

I cannot foresee anything except a global disaster of biblical proportions that can be linked directly with oil before people will give up their cushy way of life. No-one is going to stop going on holiday so the planes are here to stay and apart from glue sniffing types no-one is going to do without a car or electricity or seasonal food that's available year round. Wind turbines are a myth. How much energy is consumed in their manufacture and then getting them to site and eventual erecting of them?. Leccy cars as as bad. Mining the ore, transporting the ore and lets not forget the processing and reprocessing and more transporting of that product before it ever becomes a battery and the impact of building a car with more energy consumed and then the power generated most likely from fossil fuels to charge that car. Nope, unless we are prepared to go backwards to pre industrial living standards then the climate change activists and the tax generating governments with their carbon taxes are only wasting our time. Oil makes this world go round and there's no two ways about it. A lot more could and should be done in the bio fuels sector.

 

[bigw]

Reducing fossil fuel use in that timeframe would crash economies and obliterate our standard of living. Never going to happen.

That's the main problem if you ask me, no one wants to cut luxury items and living standards. We were on holiday in Dubai last month and I think it would typify what is wrong with the planet!

 

[Still Farming]

Just been on the radio news that the only way to avert climate crisis (their words) is to reduce fossil fuel use by 8% every year, starting now.

I would see this as a massive opportunity to promote UK home production of food, primarily through reduced food miles. Any suggestions on how to get this message across ? Anyone on here in a position of influence to take this forward ? Or am I wrong that increased home production would reduce fossil fuel use ?

Other Countries in the eu like Greece will NEVER reduce it's reliance on fossil fuels ie Coal as the economy and employment relies on it so how do you deal with that?
This is why people have had enough of the eu because its never a level playing field across the board.

 

[delilah]

anyway, back to the OP.....

 

[Still Farming]

anyway, back to the OP.....

Fossil fuel useage will be increasing because even though the eat ,buy, sell locally Policies are promoted in reality local Markets and slaughterhouses are or have closed thus travelling further afield will be inevitable.

 

[bitwrx]

anyway, back to the OP.....

Clearly this is a great marketing opportunity for UK ag. Hopefully the levy bodies will be straight on it.

Of course, I would do some marketing myself via the internet, where I can reach almost the entire population of the world, merely at the click of a few buttons. But I don't own a Twitter machine, and wouldn't know how to switch one on if I did.

 

[delilah]

Fossil fuel useage will be increasing because even though the eat ,buy, sell locally Policies are promoted in reality local Markets and slaughterhouses are or have closed thus travelling further afield will be inevitable.

If fossil fuel use has increased due to the loss of local and regional infrastructure, then a reversal in the policies that have led to that loss is needed for the UK to meet this 8%/yr target.
Yes ?

 

[kiwi pom]

Would you like to explain that in English
there is nothing between the fancy pie charts which show anything at all!

There's probably bugger all difference at the end of the day.
The problem with just buying local is you have to find a local use for all of the animal, which could be tricky.
Doesn't the UK export the less popular meat cuts? That's not much different than supermarkets ordering only the produce they want from overseas and letting the country of origin worry about the other bits.

 

[spin cycle]

i said to someone the other day that i've pledged never to fly again....that way i can argue all the meat i produce is offset

 

[Shep]

The only wat to avert the climate crisis would be to cut the global population by 8% every year, starting now.....

Is there actually a climate crisis, what have I missed? We were supposed to be frozen in the seventies, scorched in the eighties due to lack of ozone and flooded in the nineties but the Maldives are still here. OK there is a drought in oz but surely if there was ever going to be a drought anywhere that's where I'd expected it to be. Or is any kind of weather extreme a direct result of climate hysteria?
On another point, has anyone thought that the world isn't supposed to last forever?
The right meteorite would finish us all off pretty quick smart and the way the world is going, it might be the best thing that could happen.