Abershedder

[CopperBeech]

Does anyone know anything about or have any thoughts / opinions about the innovis shedding composite ?

 

[Bill dog]

Aberfield over 300 of Pearce Hughes’s easycare ewes according to their faceache release. Wonder if it’s the same Pearce Hughes of Mayo Bolus fame?

 

[neilo]

Aberfield over 300 of Pearce Hughes’s easycare ewes according to their faceache release. Wonder if it’s the same Pearce Hughes of Mayo Bolus fame?

I would think so.

 

[easyram1]

Aberfield over 300 of Pearce Hughes’s easycare ewes according to their faceache release. Wonder if it’s the same Pearce Hughes of Mayo Bolus fame?

Yes

 

[Woolless]

Aberfield over 300 of Pearce Hughes’s easycare ewes according to their faceache release. Wonder if it’s the same Pearce Hughes of Mayo Bolus fame?

Is the Abershedder just the first cross of the Aberfield/EC combo?

 

[Bill dog]

Take a pull there @Woolless , I haven’t the foggiest clue!
That’s a question for people in a higher pay grade than me !

 

[Johngee]

Is the Abershedder just the first cross of the Aberfield/EC combo?

Didn’t they say that the two Aberfield tups were shedding too?

 

[Woolless]

Didn’t they say that the two Aberfield tups were shedding too?

I don't know, haven't read the facebook post. If so, then it removes once concern that I would have about them i.e. how consistent will shedding be. But I've read very mixed reviews of the Aberfield on here and heard similar from people I know.

 

[ISCO]

I don't know, haven't read the facebook post. If so, then it removes once concern that I would have about them i.e. how consistent will shedding be. But I've read very mixed reviews of the Aberfield on here and heard similar from people I know.

We lost our Aberfield tup after 1 season with pizzle rot. It was a blessing!.
He went onto swales with very disappointing results.

 

[Estate fencing.]

We lost our Aberfield tup after 1 season with pizzle rot. It was a blessing!.
He went onto swales with very disappointing results.

I’ve never met anyone who was happy with them!

 

[Al R]

We lost our Aberfield tup after 1 season with pizzle rot. It was a blessing!.
He went onto swales with very disappointing results.

2 AF were bought, £2000 in orbenin later we cleared the pink eye. We lost 1 within a few months and the other we kept for a few years until it lost all its teeth, trying it on a few different type of ewes from welsh, mules and Texels, between bad mothering, mastitis and teeth going by 4 year old they’ve almost all self eradicated themselves, speaking to a few others they all had exact experience’s.

There is only so long you can sell sand to Arabs.

 

[Sheepfog]

Very happy with my Aberfield crossbred ewes. Great mums - although that probably comes from the hill ewe. Don't scan ridiculously high:180-190% which is plenty for outdoor lambing. Lamb quality a step up from mules.

But, I would be very wary of buying an Innovis bred sheep in the future as their health status just isn't consistent enough. I know of a few farmers who have had problems with iceberg diseases in bought in rams. IMHO all their multipliers should be MV accredited and tested clear of other iceberg diseases.

For replacements I am planning to put a Logie maternal hybrid onto these ewes having heard good reports from other farmers. Logie Durno also have a very high health status, which is important as my whole flock is now all MV accredited for ease of management.

 

[Estate fencing.]

Very happy with my Aberfield crossbred ewes. Great mums - although that probably comes from the hill ewe. Don't scan ridiculously high:180-190% which is plenty for outdoor lambing. Lamb quality a step up from mules.

But, I would be very wary of buying an Innovis bred sheep in the future as their health status just isn't consistent enough. I know of a few farmers who have had problems with iceberg diseases in bought in rams. IMHO all their multipliers should be MV accredited and tested clear of other iceberg diseases.

For replacements I am planning to put a Logie maternal hybrid onto these ewes having heard good reports from other farmers. Logie Durno also have a very high health status, which is important as my whole flock is now all MV accredited for ease of management.

I didn’t know they weren’t mv accreted. That will probably be the end of them if they start spreading that about!

 

[Bill dog]

2 AF were bought, £2000 in orbenin later we cleared the pink eye. We lost 1 within a few months and the other we kept for a few years until it lost all its teeth, trying it on a few different type of ewes from welsh, mules and Texels, between bad mothering, mastitis and teeth going by 4 year old they’ve almost all self eradicated themselves, speaking to a few others they all had exact experience’s.

There is only so long you can sell sand to Arabs.

Aberselferadicator might not be a catchy enough trade name for them !

 

[neilo]

I didn’t know they weren’t mv accreted. That will probably be the end of them if they start spreading that about!

Most of their flocks aren’t Mv accredited, but that doesn’t mean they have it, or are likely to ‘spread it about’.
They’d likely be a safer bet, on that score at least, than a lot of market Tups.

 

[Woolless]

Most of their flocks aren’t Mv accredited, but that doesn’t mean they have it, or are likely to ‘spread it about’.
They’d likely be a safer bet, on that score at least, than a lot of market Tups.

I know of one flock that was going to sell tups of their own breeding at an Innovis sale and they had to undertake flock screening for iceberg diseases beforehand.

 

[neilo]

2 AF were bought, £2000 in orbenin later we cleared the pink eye. We lost 1 within a few months and the other we kept for a few years until it lost all its teeth, trying it on a few different type of ewes from welsh, mules and Texels, between bad mothering, mastitis and teeth going by 4 year old they’ve almost all self eradicated themselves, speaking to a few others they all had exact experience’s.

There is only so long you can sell sand to Arabs.

Yes, but apart from that?

When the Arab’s stop buying your sand, maybe you should just move on to a different tribe of Arab’s?
Will the Scot’s embrace them as willingly as a lot of Welsh shepherds did?

 

[neilo]

I know of one flock that was going to sell tups of their own breeding at an Innovis sale and they had to undertake flock screening for iceberg diseases beforehand.

Yes, I understood they screened for disease, rather than go down the accreditation route, which only covers a couple of icebergs anyway.

@Tim W ‘s group do the same I believe.

 

[Nithsdale]

Yes, but apart from that?

When the Arab’s stop buying your sand, maybe you should just move on to a different tribe of Arab’s?
Will the Scot’s embrace them as willingly as a lot of Welsh shepherds did?

Not going by the opinions given at the Carlisle sale I went to

 

[Woolless]

Just had a look at their faceache page. Louise Hobson from the Easycare society is giving them a right howking
They're also doing recorded Cheviots now, I see.