Berserk cattle (cause)

[honeyend]

Our native pony breeds, which used to be the all purpose utility vehicle, are basically nature selected, and often whilst often they wouldn't win anything in the show ring, are exceptionally tough.
My particular favourite is the New Forest, they look similar to the QH, light framed, very tough and will a smart brain, they are very good a problem solving on their own, The native American Canadian Indian horse breed, the Ojibwe pony, has a similar look. Clever eye, relatively short stocky neck and finer legs, and the frowned upon tiny feet.

 

[primmiemoo]

The things one can learn in TFF!

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

The things one can learn in TFF!

There's more to riding a horse than just bobbing about on top?

 

[Blaithin]

In the late 60's there was a cutting horse team that toured the agricultural shows over here as a main ring attraction. I remember seeing them at Newark. To finish the show they took the bridles off to prove that it was the horse that was doing it on it's own.

Stopping a single beast getting back to his mates is a bit different to holding a nasty cow that wants to protect it's calf though. Needs a lot more aggression and involves 'the kicking end'. As you say, it must be bred into them.

Grandpa had a cutting horse when I was growing up, Tony. You couldn't ever put him in with cattle, he'd cut all the calves from the cows. Didn't need to have a rider or any bit of tack, he'd just do his job.

As Chopsy says, neck reigning has nothing to do with the bit, it's all the rein on the neck. My mare neck reins just fine with a bosal, although I need a stronger hackamore for brakes. A bosal is what the cowboy is using in the Soft Feel video, the reins attach to the heel knot under their chin with a specialized knot. A mechanical hackamore has varying length shanks to attach the reins and resembles a bridle with a bit more.

 

[Cowgirl]

I’m not sure how this thread got on to Quarter horses but I have been interested in them since the 1970s when I saw them in Canada. It is quite true that their cutting instinct is bred into them. My husband and I bought one in 1989 and he died last year at 32 years old - he was a wonderful horse, unflappable and very versatile. Our daughter’s present one is cutting horse bred and is very fast and agile. As well as riding, my daughter loves playing with her at liberty - I would post a video but not sure how?

 

[yellowbelly]

I would post a video but not sure how?

Easiest way is to put it on YouTube first and then from there to here.

 

[Cowgirl]

Easiest way is to put it on YouTube first and then from there to here.

Ah thanks!

 

[Cowgirl]

Just in case anyone is interested in just what you can teach horses to do - and my daughter is just an amateur.

 

[primmiemoo]

Jennifer Saunders plays yrs trly in this one ...

An Absolute Classic I Can Never Get Bored Of | French & Saunders - Ponies

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[Sigh]

 

[Renaultman]

limx and bbx. Only takes one to upset a group, they are fine with dogs and dog walkers though

I could have guessed Lim seriously protective mothers

 

[Renaultman]

Here, a ewe which jumps out the pen, or otherwise displays poor attitude, is cull marked. A tup which jumps out the pen or displays poor attitude is also cull marked. Any sign of aggression from a tup and he’s dog food that day! A few hundred pounds of breeding animal is small beer compared to the cost of a broken leg..

Ewe ran through my brother in 2012 1 year on the sick.

 

[Cowgirl]

The surface is awful and wouldn't pass muster for competitive horse sport in the UK. It's partly the surface that's giving the 'pink' horse an odd action, plus he's a blue-blooded quarterhorse which makes him look a bit like a dragster. I looked him up and his sire certainly throws a type. These below are pink horse's half-siblings:

Yearling colt

Two year old colt

Three year old filly

The mare is a bit short-backed for me but she looks like she'd go all day.


Bitting is a degree subject on its own! The long shank curb bit with a long port is actually less harsh than it looks. Any bit can be savage depending on the hands on the reins and a plain jointed snaffle can be pretty painful for the horse if it's fitted incorrectly and the rider has insensitive hands. The feel through the reins should be soft and fluid like holding warm treacle, called 'soft feel'. The length of the curb shank with a curb strap in the chin groove gives poll leverage and encourages the horse to flex at the poll to take the weight back on his quarters. But to be correct you don't rely on the bit. The bit is for finesse, the instructions for speed and direction should come from the rider's body, useful for keeping your hands free for roping or opening gates.

Training a western 'bridle horse' starts off with a snaffle, moves on to a bosal hackamore (firm padded noseband and bitless with the reins attached to the back of the noseband), and then to a curb bit. It's all about getting the horse to use himself correctly so he can work all day without injuring his tendons and joints by training him to respond to slight physical pressure and then release of that pressure. Neck reining has nothing to do with the bit, it's about moving away from the pressure of the rein on the horse's neck.

Here's the 'soft feel' demonstrated using a hackamore rein:

And using two reins - hackamore mainly but with a curb bit as well, sort of the western equivalent to an 'English style' double bridle:

And here's what a correctly trained horse can do without a bridle. The bridle broke and although the rider was disqualified he continued his show, including a nice flying change (changing the leading leg and bend when changing direction at canter).

What’s the breeding of these in your photos? Wonder if related to ours at all.

 

[flowerpot]

Yeah I would agree there is certainly something that can happen to cows that can cause them to just lose it and it's not just hormone thing or just a bad cow. We had a cow go berserk this summer broke a lot of new fences before eventually collapsing from what I presume was internal damage caused by the fence wrecking never seen anything like it she was completely out of her mind almost drunk with rage.

Magesium deficieny?

 

[unlacedgecko]

Ewe ran through my brother in 2012 1 year on the sick.

Anymore than a couple of weeks sick would cause me to financial difficulty.

Hard dogs and sharp knives

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

What’s the breeding of these in your photos? Wonder if related to ours at all.

Cat Ichi, the sire of the 'pink' horse and those in the photos. Here's his stud page, although the pedigree links to a different horse: https://www.eeranches.com/cat-ichi

His pedigree is here: https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cat+ichi

 

[Dry Rot]

Our native pony breeds, which used to be the all purpose utility vehicle, are basically nature selected, and often whilst often they wouldn't win anything in the show ring, are exceptionally tough.
My particular favourite is the New Forest, they look similar to the QH, light framed, very tough and will a smart brain, they are very good a problem solving on their own, The native American Canadian Indian horse breed, the Ojibwe pony, has a similar look. Clever eye, relatively short stocky neck and finer legs, and the frowned upon tiny feet.
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Hope I am not insulting anyone, but that could be a Highland pony, including the eel stripe! Here is a two year old colt bred here that was 14.2 at the time. He went over height so sadly is a colt no more.

 

[Renaultman]

Anymore than a couple of weeks sick would cause me to financial difficulty.

Hard dogs and sharp knives

Luckily we had sickness insurance, I had to stop nearly all outside work and coped, through the hardest harvest in my memory.

 

[Cowgirl]

Cat Ichi, the sire of the 'pink' horse and those in the photos. Here's his stud page, although the pedigree links to a different horse: https://www.eeranches.com/cat-ichi

His pedigree is here: https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cat+ichi

Our mare is a granddaughter of High Brow Cat on the dam’s side, with Doc Bar on the sire’s side.

 

[Blaithin]

Doc Bar is a very popular stud.

 

[Cowgirl]

Doc Bar is a very popular stud.

Oh yes - most of the cutting horses are similarly bred, a little worrying really - not much genetic diversity- just the same bloodlines in different permutations.