- Location
- Hereford
I'm not sure why there is such a panic there's plenty of time to get wheat in yet .
BROADCASTING TREATED SEED - A BIG NO-NO OR NOT?
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- Start date
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
Cost I’d guess
So would I, but fitting markers to a carrier isn't for nowt, 4-5yrs is a long time not to invest in what many would see as an essential tool of Arable farming
Wolds Beef
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@Banana Bar You hit it in one!! I had other things to buy and the system worked. A 5m carrier got over the land pretty quickly. I would not know how to look for the research but I was doing it in good conditions and the carrier dictated that as the press would fill if it was to wet! The research proved that in good conditions there was no yield penalty.
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bravheart
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- Location
- scottish borders
If you can travel with the carrier then vaderstad made a carrier with a seed box on top and coulters or hose ends on the discs, this may be a way out in this wet season as a lot of you will have discs around somewhere, certainly better than spreading treated seed on top of the ground.
matttargett4
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if you can travel with a carrier its not wet
Wolds Beef
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That's what I Said!! Good Conditions not fire brigade conditions!!!
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Mr Charisma
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- Location
- stratford on Avon
Is this ground worked , if so why not hide seed with a tine drill , 6 meter cultivator , broadcaster all in one
fermec860
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- Location
- Warwicshire
9.5mm in gauges this morning mr c
Mr Charisma
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- Location
- stratford on Avon
Hmmm , I've buggered off to the land of milk and honey (Rutland + lincolnshire) for weekend , I will worry about Warwickshire tomorrow evening ?
- Location
- Warwickshire
Since buying a Weaving in 2006, we haven't spun any seed on, before then we were doing it regularly
Cab-over Pete
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- Location
- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
As I understand it, broadcasting the seed and then using pre-em sprays risks killing some seed because it is exposed.
Is it economically viable to just put more seed on to counter that effect? Especially as you’re not supposed to broadcast treated seed so are likely to be fetching it off the heap.
Some has been broadcast locally to here on light land and power harrowed in but I don’t think they have any blackgrass. They are excellent, mixed farmers and I fully expect them to be combining a cracking crop next August, as always.
Is it economically viable to just put more seed on to counter that effect? Especially as you’re not supposed to broadcast treated seed so are likely to be fetching it off the heap.
Some has been broadcast locally to here on light land and power harrowed in but I don’t think they have any blackgrass. They are excellent, mixed farmers and I fully expect them to be combining a cracking crop next August, as always.
yellow belly
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- Location
- south west lincolnshire
On the land I farm if it is too wet to drill
Braordcasting will not produce a better crop than doing nothing and waiting till it is dry enough
It will also be full of bg
When it is dry enough in the spring the bg control allows the next winter wheat crop to be planted in September
Braordcasting will not produce a better crop than doing nothing and waiting till it is dry enough
It will also be full of bg
When it is dry enough in the spring the bg control allows the next winter wheat crop to be planted in September
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Nothing wrong with broadcasting untreated seed. You just accept some losses to nature and pre-em. Everything wrong with broadcasting treated seed. But if a light drag will go, so will a weaving Tyne drill, which will do a better job.
What luxury , a drill for every occasion....
What about costs, or doesn't that matter....
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Cost of getting caught broadcasting treated seed, or doesn't that matter? Suppose there is always the "was fine for grandad" or "everyone else gets away with it" view.
If I needed to drill a decent acreage this autumn, going to the shop and buying a second hand drill, using it, and selling it again after would not even register on the scale of farming costs.
If I needed to drill a decent acreage this autumn, going to the shop and buying a second hand drill, using it, and selling it again after would not even register on the scale of farming costs.
Mr Charisma
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- Location
- stratford on Avon
I couldn't imagine just running one type of drill and I can't think of a serious arable farmer around here on awkward ground who has
Everyone who has a rapid will have a tine drill for the wet years , but on the dry years best place for a tine drill is in the shed ,,,,,, okay that's not strictly true but in a dry year the vaddy is a far superior drill ,
Unfortunately for me I made a very rash decision in 2012 and bought myself a combi drill for wet conditions ,,,,,, huge waste of money that was
- Location
- In the middle.
You want to put that in the classified adds on here and sell it or get Joe to tell my neighbour its for sale. I'm sure he'll buy it from you!
A local farmer has done it for the last 50 years. He broadcasts and harrows in on seedbeds created very early on as he's 50% fallow 50% wheat. He creates a seedbed in July and plants in October. Works very well with a Vicon wagtail as he says there is more control than with a spinning disc machine. He runs it at 12m widths.
Wrong type of combi or wrong approach then Mr C, very versatile machines. When it's that wet, they all belong in the shed.
4 drills here, two of them combis.
1996 Amazone suffolk Coulter combi - cost £4k 9yrs ago. Some years does nowt. PH fettles beet land. Often drills w barley behind the plough & press while the other one is drilling min til wheat.
2001 Kockerling tine drill - bought for £3500 on this very forum. Drills some cover crops and all beans.
2015 Pottinger disc combi. Replaced a much modified KV/Farmforce disc combi. 6" spacing. Drills wheat into just about anything, and spring barley into ploughing after beet. WB too unless under pressure.
2018 Moore direct disc drill. Bit of a luxury, bought in part with a countryside productivity grant. Drills most of the cover crops and the spring oats. Sometimes wheat after beans.
Yes we're over drilled, but we have versatility, and they don't wear out or break down much if they don't do much.
Looking forward, we're in the process of building a toolbar to go in front of the Moore, with a cutting disc and low disturbance time. Hoping one time per 4 coulters will be sufficient, and both reduce establishment cost and reduce risk of failure from poor direct establishment in combine wheelings etc.
After this backend, and having quite a lot of worked ground in front of us, it ought to give us some resilience - the less worked land is in better order than that more cultivated.
Anybody got a McConnell Seedaerator with disc coulters? Any good? Not common, maybe for a reason, but I know there's a few out there.
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