Can a dealer change a deal?

[Happy at it]

Local paper at the weekend.

 

[Dry Rot]

If the dealer wants to increase the price, there'd be something in the small print, I'd have thought.

I have a book on the law of contract on my book shelf. It's a thick book! But then lawyers need to make a living too (which I am not, sadly).

 

[Dave W]

Am I missing something? Has the price been increased or not?

 

[Stevejb44]

I would very surprised if he doesn’t increase price, also don’t be surprised if you suddenly see your deposit returning to your bank account.
be able to sell trailer to someone else at a lot higher price

 

[thesilentone]

Local paper at the weekend.

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Nice statement, the reality is different.

If customers have forward ordered at an agreed price, then as far as I am aware, there is little they can do.

In the worst case scenario (if the price ,without a surcharge, will push them under) it is reasonable to ask an advance order customer to share the increase, however there is no reason whatsoever why the customer should shoulder it alone.

If an early order price was agreed and the customer refuses to shoulder any of the increases, there is little the supplier can do.

Most large Companies procurement departments hedge currency, and add a element of risk to prices, or agree supplier prices for all current and outstanding orders in advance. However, I do agree on this occasion, it is exceptional circumstances.

This happened in the 80's when the £ collapsed against the Deutchmark seeing anything coming from Germany cost up to 20% more.

 

[thesilentone]

Boilers, planks, windows, waste systems etc. Are quoted for the day, the next day the price might be totally different. Crazy.

A "day price" is common in fast moving. traded commodities, and has been for years. However, some of the things you have listed, it seems strange.

It looks like many are simply making hay while the sun shines.

 

[thesilentone]

I would very surprised if he doesn’t increase price, also don’t be surprised if you suddenly see your deposit returning to your bank account.
be able to sell trailer to someone else at a lot higher price

It is not that simple I'm afraid.

A deposit has it's own legal rights, and is part of a contract, as opposed to a part payment.

 

[nosmokenopoke]

Isn't that a question to ask the dealer rather than the TFF rumour committee?

Want to see what the forums thinking was. The dealer I bought it from has never said anything to me other than updating me on delays. It’s a friend that got a tipping ifor Williams from another dealer out of the area that has had their “deal” increased.

 

[fieldfarmer]

Want to see what the forums thinking was. The dealer I bought it from has never said anything to me other than updating me on delays. It’s a friend that got a tipping ifor Williams from another dealer out of the area that has had their “deal” increased.

I know of one similar that's had the "well take it or leave it" said to him, he paid the increase because the dealer stood to make far more £££ if he cancelled.

 

[Finn farmer]

A "day price" is common in fast moving. traded commodities, and has been for years. However, some of the things you have listed, it seems strange.

It looks like many are simply making hay while the sun shines.

All the things i listed were quoted for from 1 week to 1 month prior to covid. Well, people have built houses and terraces like crazy. Glad that my terrace doesn't need new planks right now.

Not like we'd be running out of trees anytime soon here.

 

[Werzle]

Ordered a new trailer last september to be delivered this september ish, no deposit, no contract, just the word of the dealer who will stand by the deal whatever . There are dealers and then there are dealers.

 

[Agri Spec Solicitor]

First question, what does the written contract say about price?

 

[puntabrava]

Ordered an ifor Williams 18ft tri axle tilt bed, June 2021. Been delayed and delayed eta December this year. Deposit paid.
My question is can they change the price? Heard folk having their prices increased but no deposit was paid on theirs. I’m under the impression a deposit enters a contract?
Thoughts/experiences appreciated!

Riverlea did this to a pal a few months ago, he had paid a deposit on an IW trailer, they said they were unwilling to bare the cost increase IW had done on all existing orders overnight. I know how you feel but it’s a job to see a good way out for all concerned.

 

[nosmokenopoke]

Am I missing something? Has the price been increased or not?

3rd arrival date is said to be this December. Will find out then.

 

[nosmokenopoke]

Riverlea did this to a pal a few months ago, he had paid a deposit on an IW trailer, they said they were unwilling to bare the cost increase IW had done on all existing orders overnight. I know how you feel but it’s a job to see a good way out for all concerned.

My thoughts would be ifor Williams gave a dealer a price then it’s IW job to get that priced item out at the agreed price. It gets to a stage there’s no point getting a price for a deal.
Farmers feed costs have nearly doubled yet the fat cattle have only risen by 20-30%
It is tough times for most I suppose.

 

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This is from our written quote in January. Only dealer to have it included .

 

[puntabrava]

My thoughts would be ifor Williams gave a dealer a price then it’s IW job to get that priced item out at the agreed price. It gets to a stage there’s no point getting a price for a deal.
Farmers feed costs have nearly doubled yet the fat cattle have only risen by 20-30%
It is tough times for most I suppose.

The dealer could sue IW I suppose unless there is a clause in the contract but if he could sue then he is finished as a dealer. As I say, very annoying and destroys your faith in a deal.

 

[Moors Lad]

Have you a piece of paper with the price on it, deposit taken , etc ??

 

[thesilentone]

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This is from our written quote in January. Only dealer to have it included .

A quote is not a confirmed order, with deposit paid. Many Companies have that on a quotation anyway, or make a quote time limited (eg: 60 days).

Their is not escaping, if IW took an order, at an agreed price, and accepted a deposit in advance, they are duty (Contract) bound to supply those goods subject to the contract terms. Unless it was made clear to the customer AT THAT TIME, that the price was variable and subject to an increase in advance of delivery.

But, if variable prices are agreed, they should also include the possibility of a reduction in price should the opposite situation apply.

IW Contract will more than likely include the clause "Force Majeure" in other words, circumstances beyond there control. In this case, whether that has any legal standing is for a lawyer to advise.

 

[nosmokenopoke]

Have you a piece of paper with the price on it, deposit taken , etc ??

No written quote. Deposit paid and account statement issued to that effect. Time will tell. It’s not life changing sums of money involved at the end of the day.
Just wanted to hear other folks views on the matter, as I was shocked when a friends deal from a different dealer had been changed.