Cattle bought pd+ but not incalf.

[dannewhouse]

I bought 2 pedigree cows with calves at foot, pd incalf. When I got them home one was riding a week later so I did wonder but thought we will see.
Anyway 9months later that cow is now bagging up to calve to my bull the other cow hasn't calved yet either, both were pd+ by my vet but must be to my bull.

Where do I stand with the vendor?
They haven't slipped the calves here I don't actually believe they were pd.

They were strong money for me what's your thoughts?

 

[Lincs]

Id say you have left it too long and the fact they are now pd+ means you might just have to take it on the chin. If they were bought out of market speak to auctioneer incase someone else had same problem

 

[dannewhouse]

Id say you have left it too long and the fact they are now pd+ means you might just have to take it on the chin. If they were bought out of market speak to auctioneer incase someone else had same problem

I can see what you mean about leaving it late but the only way to know the service date was to wait for calving date, I don't find the dates given at pd to be very accurate

 

[capfits]

A reputable vendor will have record of animal in calf, scanning date scanner/vet etc.

 

[dinderleat]

Too late, get over it, sh!t happens.

 

[Davy_g]

I bought 2 pedigree cows with calves at foot, pd incalf. When I got them home one was riding a week later so I did wonder but thought we will see.
Anyway 9months later that cow is now bagging up to calve to my bull the other cow hasn't calved yet either, both were pd+ by my vet but must be to my bull.

Where do I stand with the vendor?
They haven't slipped the calves here I don't actually believe they were pd.

They were strong money for me what's your thoughts?

Shame they were not in-calf as bought.
Without legal recourse I suspect there is not much you can do.
As a matter of courtesy I would go back to the vendor to see if they have any records of service date and scan date. They should have both and you should also have them when you bought the cows? As soon as something was amiss - there is probably some responsibility on you to notify the vendor - such as observing a cow in heat, scanning but having the incorrect calving date or a cow going over her time.
That said the vendor will have a reputation to keep and may be able to help smooth things over. Such as a discount, offer of semen or something similar. What are you thinking?

If I sell cows as in calf. I pass on service details, scan details and expected calving date. I tell the buyer to scan the cow within a week of delivery for any comeback as my scanning information is only good on the day the vet told me. If the cow was not in calf at that stage, one offer would be a full refund if that's what the buyer wanted.

I sold a fat cow a few years ago. Topped the market at about 2K. Next time i was in the mart a dealer approached me, told me he bought the cow and she died on him a few weeks later - had not got a post mortem done as his first loss was his best loss. I took his word for it and even though I had no reason to do so - I gave him half of the money back as a good will gesture.

 

[dannewhouse]

They were just sold as pd incalf no dates so can only really be sure they weren't incalf on sale day

I just feel it's taking the Mick when both cows weren't actually incalf

 

[Davy_g]

They were just sold as pd incalf no dates so can only really be sure they weren't incalf on sale day

I just feel it's taking the Mick when both cows weren't actually incalf

And what has the vendor said so far?

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

If no date's were given then maybe they lost calves after. You can be pd down as low as 28/30 days in calf but it doesn't mean they'll still be in calf at 50

 

[livestock 1]

One auction guarantees 6 months for breeding cattle I know of
Ring the auctioneer

 

[dannewhouse]

I haven't contacted auctioneer or vendor will contact auctioneer. I just wanted to know my position.

 

[livestock 1]

I haven't contacted auctioneer or vendor will contact auctioneer. I just wanted to know my position.

Your position is he should stand by them but maybe doesn’t have to

 

[som farmer]

Shame they were not in-calf as bought.
Without legal recourse I suspect there is not much you can do.
As a matter of courtesy I would go back to the vendor to see if they have any records of service date and scan date. They should have both and you should also have them when you bought the cows? As soon as something was amiss - there is probably some responsibility on you to notify the vendor - such as observing a cow in heat, scanning but having the incorrect calving date or a cow going over her time.
That said the vendor will have a reputation to keep and may be able to help smooth things over. Such as a discount, offer of semen or something similar. What are you thinking?

If I sell cows as in calf. I pass on service details, scan details and expected calving date. I tell the buyer to scan the cow within a week of delivery for any comeback as my scanning information is only good on the day the vet told me. If the cow was not in calf at that stage, one offer would be a full refund if that's what the buyer wanted.

I sold a fat cow a few years ago. Topped the market at about 2K. Next time i was in the mart a dealer approached me, told me he bought the cow and she died on him a few weeks later - had not got a post mortem done as his first loss was his best loss. I took his word for it and even though I had no reason to do so - I gave him half of the money back as a good will gesture.

l had a big fall out with auctioneers over similar, took a barren milker to mkt, on the weds, through the cull ring.
had a call monday morning, told me they weren't going to pay for the cow, as it died on the sunday, on farm.

there were some very strong words exchanged, but l was told there was a 7 day warrantee, on all stock sold in mkt. There were even stronger words said, but they wouldn't budge. Asked for vets letter, to confirm death, and why. Needless to say, not necessary was the answer............mmmmm

rung the actual auctioneer, who replied, 'there will be a cheque for half, in the post today'. and there was, which l thought fair.

had my own back though, went the next wed, bought 3 cows, and took a long time to pay, used to ring up, and ask for a bit !!! Pretty well end of stock through that market. What really p1ssed me off, it was the next farmers son, refusing to pay out.

warranted i/c, usual with a time limit 6 weeks, any doubt l get a pd done, vets letter, never been 'turned down'. Anything over 6/8 weeks, forget it, to late.

we have, and will sell warranted cows, i/c. And will always 'sort' it out, but do insist on a vets letter, to many have tried, over the years, with no letter, Wise to that, ask for vets letter, 90% don't come back, wonder why..................

 

[Flossie]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I'd have got my vet to PD them to double check within maybe a month of buying them.
We had it years ago. Bought 4 cows sold as in calf at a pedigree dispersal sale. At the next vet routine visit I sent them all through to check, and one wasn't in calf. Vet wrote a letter to confirm not in calf, and we got some money back on it.

 

[som farmer]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I'd have got my vet to PD them to double check within maybe a month of buying them.
We had it years ago. Bought 4 cows sold as in calf at a pedigree dispersal sale. At the next vet routine visit I sent them all through to check, and one wasn't in calf. Vet wrote a letter to confirm not in calf, and we got some money back on it.

you should have got all your money back.
we offer to send cow to mkt/abattoir, and deduct the amount from claim, or return animal.
Auctioneers send cheque for difference.

if bought through them, easy.

bought privately, trickier

but you shouldn't take a hit, some will claim for feed as well.

 

[David1968]

Sold some cows with calf at foot, and pd in-calf again, privately a few years ago. Few months later he tells me one of the cows turned out not in calf.
I asked him what he wanted to do. He said, don't worry about it. With what she made through the cast ring plus the value of her calf, I probably came out on top.

I think I sold them too cheap

 

[blackieman83]

Shame they were not in-calf as bought.
Without legal recourse I suspect there is not much you can do.
As a matter of courtesy I would go back to the vendor to see if they have any records of service date and scan date. They should have both and you should also have them when you bought the cows? As soon as something was amiss - there is probably some responsibility on you to notify the vendor - such as observing a cow in heat, scanning but having the incorrect calving date or a cow going over her time.
That said the vendor will have a reputation to keep and may be able to help smooth things over. Such as a discount, offer of semen or something similar. What are you thinking?

If I sell cows as in calf. I pass on service details, scan details and expected calving date. I tell the buyer to scan the cow within a week of delivery for any comeback as my scanning information is only good on the day the vet told me. If the cow was not in calf at that stage, one offer would be a full refund if that's what the buyer wanted.

I sold a fat cow a few years ago. Topped the market at about 2K. Next time i was in the mart a dealer approached me, told me he bought the cow and she died on him a few weeks later - had not got a post mortem done as his first loss was his best loss. I took his word for it and even though I had no reason to do so - I gave him half of the money back as a good will gesture.

If that was any of the dealers round here, the cow would have died alright, died in the factory after having her head removed, very trusting of you to hand him back half the money.

 

[Highland Farmer]

I've been on the other foot. I had the vet PD my cows before sale, I had vet invoice etc. These were cows/heifers with calf at foot. Didn't get the best money but I needed to reduce stock levels. This is a few years ago mind, but one sold for £850. About 5-6 months later (when the calves were due) I get a call from a random number, it was the buyer of the cow (who had bought a couple of mine) to ask me the sire number. He then told me how good the cows were (softening me up) and said that one of the cows wasn't in calf and that he was looking for compensation of £250. For the sake of avoiding hassle I paid it (actually he wanted it paid to his wife's bank account for some reason). I phoned the mart as I wasn't that happy about it and they said he should of contacted the mart to resolve and that if I had the vet invoice then I wasn't liable after that length of time. The vet who PD's doesn't make that sort of mistake for 3-4 months in calf, so I know it was in calf. Needless to say if I get a phone call like that again I'll be referring them to the mart.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Too late, get over it, sh!t happens.

Not really as they were bought pd'd in calf.

If they were bought in calf to a particular bull, then it will be fairly simple to determine the sire. If the calves are not to progeny of said bull, you have bought them in calf to, you would have a claim.

You could get some straws or a free service from the original bull if he's still available.

 

[Farmer Keith]

I bought 2 pedigree cows with calves at foot, pd incalf. When I got them home one was riding a week later so I did wonder but thought we will see.
Anyway 9months later that cow is now bagging up to calve to my bull the other cow hasn't calved yet either, both were pd+ by my vet but must be to my bull.

Where do I stand with the vendor?
They haven't slipped the calves here I don't actually believe they were pd.

They were strong money for me what's your thoughts?

That was the moment to get them checked, you could speak to the auctioneer and the vendor may do something for you but they’d be well within their rights to say they could of lost the calves at your place.