Princess Pooper
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- East Mids
Don't forget most arable land has field drains. Field heaps for more than a few weeks close to field drains are a no-no in NVZs... although a lot of people seem to forget that particular issue...
Chopping straw and fert reduction.
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Don't forget most arable land has field drains. Field heaps for more than a few weeks close to field drains are a no-no in NVZs... although a lot of people seem to forget that particular issue...
Chae1
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- Aberdeenshire
Thats price in swath as i understood it.
Chae1
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- Aberdeenshire
Some mad people seem to buy it per acre! Per ton probably fairest way. Bale weights can vary a fair bit.
ollie989898
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I'd stick with a deal for acres of straw, good crop/bad crop it will average out. And if the man wants you to leave the OSR and linseed and bean haulm in a row, do that as well. Get it gone and brought back in a more useful form.
Preferably without any string or concrete blocks in it!
Sandy
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- Aberdeenshire
We sell by the acre that way they can bale whatever size/shape/weight they want
- Location
- N.Yorkshire
We used to swap straw for muck which was great till we got blackgrass back. Our fields were clean so it wasn’t our blackgrass we were getting back
What about plastic and crap you find in compost and the micro plastic that is more than likely in sewage sludge as well .
Better than selling the straw, depreciating your soils, with nothing put back?
They are more likely to pick all the straw up too, not lift the fudgeing pickup over any bit of swath driven on by the carts
Rather see the choppers in than balers in the field unless it is coming back as dung .
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- Yorks
What if, at some time in the future, scientists say that these microplastics are getting into the plants/crops. Then DEFRA say that no food can be produced from land where sewage cake has ever been spread.
I think this scenario is maybe unlikely, but perfectly possible And it may have been a very expensive mistake to have made!
That would make a lot of this area and the uk into one big grassland park .
Where would the country's food then come from . More unregulated imports !
Mind you I was thinking the other day that sewage sludge most likely contains a fair bit of micro plastics .
Far more likely that SOM levels get so low that food production becomes unviable due to the constant lack of OM return
60-100 harvests time according to reports
That’s a big IF. In the meantime I’ll help with disposal of sewage and phosphate recycling.
Had a good read of this thread. I’m based in south west Scotland and buy straw mainly wheat & barley from Yorkshire Lincolnshire Cambridgeshire etc. Buy the tonne, the acre, the bale whatever you want. Happy to bale myself or buy from stack. Happy to buy off field at harvest or from the stack during winter. Please anyone with straw for sale get in touch will pay bank transfer on collection 07734773039
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Looking about 2000 tonne minimum
Many thanks
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Looking about 2000 tonne minimum
Many thanks
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- Darlington
This is exactly what I was thinking, along with all the sentiments above. It is very rare that TFF is in total agreement. Last year is the first year we haven't lead all straw to central loading points as it was so dry I do it at my expense but with 4 bales on the back 2 on the front of a tractor with wide tyres we protect our valuable soils. I would be tempted to buy my own baler if I was in a bigger way, just for hygiene reasons.
Yes because muck/bio solids would never be able to be used in much of the country otherwise.Don't forget most arable land has field drains. Field heaps for more than a few weeks close to field drains are a no-no in NVZs... although a lot of people seem to forget that particular issue...
yellow belly
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- south west lincolnshire
in the long run you can only take out what you put in with regards to nutrients if you keep taking it off the levels will drop too low
if the soil has a lot locked up phosphate or brakes down producing nutrients potash producing clays then you do not have to put any back
although with phosphate unlocking it when the crop needs it is often impossible so available nutrients are needed
black fen is an example eventually you burn up the organic matter and it is gone
with a lot of cereal land when it was ploughed up from 1940 to 1990 the nutrient levels gave fall steadily
it was impossible to get malting spec barley on heavy land in the first 30 years 70 to 80 years after continuous arable it is now very easy
fields with higher organic matter usually produce higher yields
in the long run letting land lose its nutrient status by hoping the soil releases the locked up nutrients limits yield it can only release a bit each year this is not enough for optimum yield
if the soil has a lot locked up phosphate or brakes down producing nutrients potash producing clays then you do not have to put any back
although with phosphate unlocking it when the crop needs it is often impossible so available nutrients are needed
black fen is an example eventually you burn up the organic matter and it is gone
with a lot of cereal land when it was ploughed up from 1940 to 1990 the nutrient levels gave fall steadily
it was impossible to get malting spec barley on heavy land in the first 30 years 70 to 80 years after continuous arable it is now very easy
fields with higher organic matter usually produce higher yields
in the long run letting land lose its nutrient status by hoping the soil releases the locked up nutrients limits yield it can only release a bit each year this is not enough for optimum yield