Deductions

[DRC]

Probably should be in the, what grinds your gears section, but why should feed wheat going into an animal feed mill, be penalised by £2.50 ton for testing 15.5% moisture.
Grain will store perfectly up to 16, and I bet your bottom dollar that it'll be used ASAP, in fact my farmer customers prefer it nearer 16 for milling as there's less dust.
There doesn't seem to be any difference if the wheat is worth £110 ton or £160 ton, and we don't get a bonus if it's 14%.
Why is the standard contract 15%?
We were combing at midnight last week, and the wheat was still below 16, so I tip and blend, and take the hit if the odd load gets caught out, as the extra work drying grain, isn't worth it for me.
Different mills treat claims differently as well.
How do others find this, fair or not?

 

[nick...]

Really pisses me of too.local mills use it within 24 hours and it is animal sh!t within 48 hours.another money maker for the millers.dont get a call when its 13 % with a message 'we will pay you an extra 2 pound cos its dry'
Nick...

 

[Badshot]

All claims should be on a percentage basis, not fixed amounts, then high value gets high claims, low value gets low claims. Always thought they were a rip off.

 

[Jim Bullock]

The underlying problem is that there is too much wheat about so the next link in the supply chain can dictate what they like. I do not know who was involved with the criteria in the standard wheat contracts (NFU?) but I was never consulted ..?
I just wish we could get ALL wheat producers to cut back production by 10% then we could get production and consumption back into line again...until this happens there is not much hope on the horizon. Looking at forward prices for 2016 and beyond makes me think that those caught in a high cost structure may well not be able to afford to carry on at present levels so production might well fall due to economic pressures

 

[7610 super q]

Costs me about £1.50/ton per % to dry it,so they've added £1/ton to cover expenses.However I find the business of drying grain a bit hit and miss.
I usually take it down to 14% to be sure, then in theory goes down to 13% after an hours cooling.However, testing the heap in the weeks/months after drying it ranges between 14.5-14.8%. A bit too tight for my liking.
Anyhoo what would the penalty be if you sent it in at 16%?

 

[Against_the_grain]

I totally agree its frustrating but they need to have limits or else every Tom Dick and Harry would be sending their wheat in at 16%. If the penalties were not enforced then we wouldn't abide by the rules. We know the rules when grow and harvest the crop!

It would be the same in other industries mining/fishing/any form of primary production. Deliver a product at a set specification regardless of whether it really makes a difference if out a percentage or two.

 

[crazy_bull]

Make the limit 16% and I guarentee there will be many moaning I got a claim at 16.4%!

I do agree a percentage base contract would be fairer, like the OSR contract.

C B

 

[Green oak]

Yes it may start going in the shed at 16% and over the day come down to 14% say you sell 8 loads to a mill they should average it out to 15% no deductions. Common sense IMO!!

 

[glasshouse]

It is just mills stealing the farmers money.
15.5 moisture should attract a deduction of 50p per ton if it is £100/t in the worst case.
16% should be the standard for instant use.
15% was for intervention

 

[bobk]

If mills start letting wheat pass at 15.5% someone will bung some 18% stuff in...... meeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[Adeptandy]

Had the same annoyance this week, was told my Pea's would be ok at 15% due to destination, loads 2 & 3 went to the processor as planned, straight in no probs, load 1 they took to store instead and stung me on 14.2% moisture

 

[Big Blue Yonder]

On a slightly different theme I got stung for £2/tonne on 71.9 kg/l I bet if they sneezed on it the dust would have disappeared and it would have been 72 or above

 

[crazy_bull]

Had the same annoyance this week, was told my Pea's would be ok at 15% due to destination, loads 2 & 3 went to the processor as planned, straight in no probs, load 1 they took to store instead and stung me on 14.2% moisture

That doesn't sound right, question that one, as normal contract for combining peas is 15%

C B

 

[Adeptandy]

That doesn't sound right, question that one, as normal contract for combining peas is 15%

C B

I thought that to CB, but checked mine and its got 14% on it

 

[glasshouse]

I thought that to CB, but checked mine and its got 14% on it

how much off? effing ridiculous.

 

[tw15]

They are no better than thieves some mills , sting you for anything they can get away with. 15% is now the norn . Really it is The great big grain robbery. 16 % was the standard norm .

 

[crazy_bull]

I thought that to CB, but checked mine and its got 14% on it

Bummer, , I suppose on the bright side at least 2 loads went in at 1% over contract.

CB

 

[glasshouse]

On a slightly different theme I got stung for £2/tonne on 71.9 kg/l I bet if they sneezed on it the dust would have disappeared and it would have been 72 or above

If 0.1 below is worth £2 off, then 0.1 over should get £2 bonus. simples.

 

[Adeptandy]

how much off? effing ridiculous.

Not had the invoice yet, just checked my online Frontier account and see a claim note for 14.2% moisture, but no charge applied as yet.

 

[Green oak]

Not had the invoice yet, just checked my online Frontier account and see a claim note for 14.2% moisture, but no charge applied as yet.

There flicking coins