E10 petrol

[Bullring]

They say it perishes fuel lines, what it probably means that older cars have perished fuel lines anyway so won’t take long to eat through them.

 

[DrWazzock]

I was told to use aspen petrol or some such thing in small 2 stroke tools etc as the the ethanol will gum up the carb. Still changing seals in injector pumps here after the change to low sulphur diesel

 

[Pistonbroke]

E5 knackers stuff if it's left in there without being used. E10 is just going to do it twice as fast. A couple of.things were playing up here and I chucked a splash of redex in them and it cured them but they don't claim it does anything for ethanol anyway

 

[Chickenfarmer]

My fear is when theres only E10 ,,what will 2 stroke engines run on

Electricity

 

[Farmer Roy]

We’ve had E10 here for at least 20 years, maybe longer . . .

 

[Farmer Roy]

I’m willing to bet that in terms of cars there’s a lot of “scaremongering” going on with the 2011 thing. Another ploy to get easily influenced owners of older cars to trade them in for new or electric.

I bet most petrol engines will handle the change without a problem.

Edit: a quick google shows that BMW petrol engines back to the e30 series can run on E10 without issues. That’s back to the late 80’s

Brazil, ( amongst others that produce large amounts of maize / sugar cane etc ) have been running ethanol fuels since at least the 80’s, yes

 

[Farmer Roy]

Brazil introduced E fuels in the 70’s, has had E85 & even E100 available & has had mandatory E22 across the whole country since 1993

History of ethanol fuel in Brazil - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Farmer Roy]

Just guessing, but I imagine there would be a few 2 stroke chainsaws & scooters in Brazil, since 1993, running on that mandatory E22 ?

 

[Frankzy]

My fear is when theres only E10 ,,what will 2 stroke engines run on

Same as they do now, Aspen or Husqvarna XP Power alkylate fuel.

 

[Farmer Roy]

So, I never realised or thought about the fact you could buy premixed 2 stroke fuel before ( apart from the small gravity feed tanks that used to be at servos, that they would have mixed themselves )

I just did a google search, you can buy a 4 l drum of Stihl fuel for $40
Petrol here is about $1.50 / l . . .

 

[Lincs Lass]

Same as they do now, Aspen or Husqvarna XP Power alkylate fuel.

I've all ways used the XP oil .

 

[Frankzy]

So, I never realised or thought about the fact you could buy premixed 2 stroke fuel before ( apart from the small gravity feed tanks that used to be at servos, that they would have mixed themselves )

I just did a google search, you can buy a 4 l drum of Stihl fuel for $40
Petrol here is about $1.50 / l . . .

Something's wrong there, we pay about 15% more for Aspen than regular petrol not 1000%!

I've all ways used the XP oil .

Might want to switch to alkylate now then.

 

[traineefarmer]

E10 won't hurt anything mechanical in your engines, it will just attack rubber components that aren't compatible with ethanol. Hoses, seals and diaphragms in small 2T carbs and B&S engines.

To be honest, if your engine has been OK with E5, it will probably be fine with E10.

 

[Farmer Roy]

Something's wrong there, we pay about 15% more for Aspen than regular petrol not 1000%!



Might want to switch to alkylate now then.

As I said before, I didn’t actually realise you could buy premixed 2 stroke fuel like that & have never seen it for sale in any chainsaw or lawnmower shop - so I’m guessing it is so expensive as it is such a small / niche product ?
Husqvarna Australia website only lists 2 stroke oil on its website, not premix fuel.

Here are a couple of screenshots from a few different websites, so I have no reason to assume it is incorrect . . .

for interests sake, I googled “Aspen 2 Stroke fuel Australia” & the only result that came up was on EBay, at about $70 / 4 l plus about $100 freight from the UK . . .
Maybe it’s just not a “thing” here, we just buy the oil & mix with any petrol that’s available ? Dunno

 

[milkloss]

2 strokes run just fine on E10.

I know a guy who builds world championship Rotax kart engines and this came up in discussion. Apparently ethanol doesn't cause a problem in 2 strokes until you reach the really high ethanol concentrations. To prove it he showed me a piston from an engine raced in Sweden, and run exclusively on E85, which was running absolutely fine at 14,500 rpm. The only problem he found was that the teflon coating used by Rotax on the piston skirt had dissolved after 25 hours of running, but apart from that the engine was fine.

I wonder what would have happened if he had designed and tuned the engine to run on E5 and then put some E85 and gave it 14.5k! I don't think it would have run particularly well tbh.

 

[Farmer Roy]

I wonder what would have happened if he had designed and tuned the engine to run on E5 and then put some E85 and gave it 14.5k! I don't think it would have run particularly well tbh.

conversely, if it had been built to run on E100, it probs wouldn’t run at its optimum on regular ULP ?

 

[Dman2]

The majority of engines will run fine on E10
Problem will come with fuel lines rotting

 

[C.J]

So, I never realised or thought about the fact you could buy premixed 2 stroke fuel before ( apart from the small gravity feed tanks that used to be at servos, that they would have mixed themselves )

I just did a google search, you can buy a 4 l drum of Stihl fuel for $40
Petrol here is about $1.50 / l . . .

5 litres of Aspen 2T is about £20 locally and 5 litres of unleaded + XP is about £8

 

[Frankzy]

As I said before, I didn’t actually realise you could buy premixed 2 stroke fuel like that & have never seen it for sale in any chainsaw or lawnmower shop - so I’m guessing it is so expensive as it is such a small / niche product ?
Husqvarna Australia website only lists 2 stroke oil on its website, not premix fuel.

Here are a couple of screenshots from a few different websites, so I have no reason to assume it is incorrect . . .

for interests sake, I googled “Aspen 2 Stroke fuel Australia” & the only result that came up was on EBay, at about $70 / 4 l plus about $100 freight from the UK . . .
Maybe it’s just not a “thing” here, we just buy the oil & mix with any petrol that’s available ? Dunno

We even have pump stations with Aspen premixed...
But the premixed part isn't really important, it's that it's made out of alkylate fuel that is significant.

 

[Lincoln75]

Jeez ££££££££££££....

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