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Ewes not respecting electric fence

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
What’s the possibility of that killing young lambs etc? Looks ideal, does it drain batteries compared to a 2-3J fencer?

I would only use it on high for training, then turn it down to low (2-2.5J). It would drain a tractor battery too quickly on high.

A 2J fencer will kill lambs if they get tangled in it, and I can't see that a big one would be any different. Used a big mains one back home and that only ever killed anything when they got tangled in net, after some eejit left the fencer off at the farm, then remembered it several hours later.:mad::banghead:
 
I’ve had this
As long as your fencer is working and giving a good kick I would advice halving the distance between your posts
I step them out 10 yd apart
Sometimes untrained ewe lambs may need 5 yd for 5/6 days
They soon get the message !
 

Al R

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
I would only use it on high for training, then turn it down to low (2-2.5J). It would drain a tractor battery too quickly on high.

A 2J fencer will kill lambs if they get tangled in it, and I can't see that a big one would be any different. Used a big mains one back home and that only ever killed anything when they got tangled in net, after some eejit left the fencer off at the farm, then remembered it several hours later.:mad::banghead:
Tw@! Luckily I’ve never had that problem apart from a 6 year old off the caravan site slid on wet grass on his bike into triple strand and he was there for 15minutes by the time they came to the house and we got there to turn the battery off :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

Al R

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
I’ve had this
As long as your fencer is working and giving a good kick I would advice halving the distance between your posts
I step them out 10 yd apart
Sometimes untrained ewe lambs may need 5 yd for 5/6 days
They soon get the message !
My dad is adamant that they have to be 6 yards, I do 8metres usually and no problems with either.
 
I get this every year with brought in stores and bm hill sheep used to roaming.

Offenders go to a training paddock cut down the middle with a 7 joule 10k volt fence.

On their side the grass is short. on the other its long, and their is usually a trough and i rattle the bag if they know what feed is. They will spend 2 days their and then go back behind a 1.7 joule fence line on the winter keep - they always learn at 7 joules.

The worst offenders I shear their neck wool off to make sure they get a shock, usually 1-2 ring leaders need that doing, they also get a blue line on the side marking them as "Free thinkers" as they will also be the ones that sit on food, and are a general nusiance.... first to go.
 
I too had this problem but received this advice which works well -

Set the fence up as usual but instead of tying the middle wire to the insulator at the far end, run it through the insulator and back to towards the reels, on the sheep side about a foot away from the electric fence and about a foot high, putting in stakes as necessary. At the other end and either tie it to a reel or to an insulator. Liven the 4 wires.

The sheep don't make any attempt to barge through.
 
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milkloss

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
I get this every year with brought in stores and bm hill sheep used to roaming.

Offenders go to a training paddock cut down the middle with a 7 joule 10k volt fence.

On their side the grass is short. on the other its long, and their is usually a trough and i rattle the bag if they know what feed is. They will spend 2 days their and then go back behind a 1.7 joule fence line on the winter keep - they always learn at 7 joules.

The worst offenders I shear their neck wool off to make sure they get a shock, usually 1-2 ring leaders need that doing, they also get a blue line on the side marking them as "Free thinkers" as they will also be the ones that sit on food, and are a general nusiance.... first to go.

‘Free thinkers’.....made me chuckle some that did.
 

Ysgythan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Ammanford
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exmoor dave

Member
Location
exmoor, uk
Used to use Gallagher or Rutland ones in the past, but I think you pay for the name and they don't last any longer IME.

The make doesn't really matter, it's only a fairly simple pulse generator at the end of the day. I have a collection of several different makes, but the VOSS from https://www.electric-fence.co.uk/ seem very good value for money. I bought one of these https://www.electric-fence.co.uk/voss-farming-sirus-8-12v-mains-energiser.html from them last year, just so that I had one I could use for training if needed. It would be ideal for training your problem ones on high power (assuming you don't have access to a decent mains fencer somewhere), then switch it to low (2J) for normal use.

Whatever you do, you don't want to hang around. a few getting out soon teach the whole lot to do it.

Have you stood and watched to see how they are going through? If they are sticking their heads down and pushing, you could try 2 wires close together at the bottom, one earth and on live. If they are jumping it, just get the rifle and be done with it.:(


+1 for Voss energisers.
The pulses seem to be quicker than my Mvf unit


Had some exlana ewe lambs not fully respecting a 3.5j fence......bought a Voss 7.5j unit...., that learnt them!

They literally ran halfway across the 5 ac field when they touched the fence :D
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
+1 for Voss energisers.
The pulses seem to be quicker than my Mvf unit


Had some exlana ewe lambs not fully respecting a 3.5j fence......bought a Voss 7.5j unit...., that learnt them!

They literally ran halfway across the 5 ac field when they touched the fence :D

I used to have a Polish ‘training’ fencer like that. I can’t think of any that got out twice, but it did make quite a job of getting the escapees back in.:D
 

hindmaist

Member
It can be difficult to isolate the offenders.They tend to run back through the fence to join the rest of the flock if you try to remove them,or the rest of the flock,separately.You may need to put the whole lot into the training park,which can bring its own issues.If that's not practical,try an offset wire in front of the 3 wire fence.Make sure there's plenty power and the wire spacings are correct.Once trained,the offset wire can be removed.
Do it today!
 
Wonder what the ‘Free thinkers ‘ think of that
Interestingly they are usually the ones that walk the permit er looking at it, looking for a way round, and will sometimes figure the weak spot is the fence post and try and headbutt the stake down.... but at 7 joules with a shaved neck, they give up sooner or later. I only had 2 this year off the Draft ewes, and one is in my freezer now - she developed a route through a hedge, down the lane, along a ditch into a neighbours field, across that and back into another neighbours field in a huge round about wayb and would then return. Could figfure out problems pretty well, should of given her to some students to study. Alas she fleshed out.
 

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