FG2 sheep netting fencing on Mid tier stewardship

[tepapa]

Unfortunately the only diagrams are in the British standards currently BS1722.2.2020
Had the same issue 20 years ago under the CSF (catchment sensitive farming grants)
They saw sense and agreed that the current BS at the time 1722.2. 2006 overrode their requirements and agreed the use of box struts.

Yes, They cost more to erect, materials wise but I would rather that than my staff causing injury to themselves using equipment that they have been trained to use, by a Lantra instructor.

Why would any employer or member of staff knowingly go against what they have been instructed and trained to do just to appease the RPA.

Currently replacing fencing, still fit for purpose at 20 years old. (CSF) tax payers are paying.

Box struts all the way!

As I said in post you've replied to, the current British standard was written in a way to not exclude any style of fencing as long as you could pull the wire tight and it stayed tight. People have different styles and opinions on how to fence and the committee didn't want to dictate how a fence should be built.

It has some recommendations in post sizes etc to help you achieve those aims but they are not specific requirements to meet the standard just a guide to help you meet the aim of keeping the wire tight.

How the RPA have Interpreted that to mean that box strainers aren't eligible is a mystery. There is no mention of a 45° angle in relation to timber fencing in the 2020 version although there is in the 2006 version so it's either a carry over left over from previous specs or they've interpreted the new standard incorrectly. Having said that they can write whatever they want into the spec and if they say they want an angle no greater than 45° there's nothing stopping then doing it.

I'm surprised they wouldn't allow the use of box struts under the csf grants as there is a diagram of a box as a recommended strainer assembly in the 2006 standard.

Edit, you've said virtually the same as me in your post as I was trying this

 

[Home&Dry]

The RPA must take notice some times as I now find that the old bug-bear of fitting weatherproof caps on gatesposts under FG12 has been amended (6/11/23 I think) to say that weathercaps 'can' be used under the advisory section but are now NOT a requirement. Perhaps a concerted letter writing exercise might convince them that the isuue of struts needs looking at as well.

Yes struts! Also perhaps the amount of staples required under the new BS and the treating of cross cut and morticed timber.

It's already been discussed earlier in this thread

We have got 3000m of FG2 (sheep net fencing) to do under the capital grants scheme. It specifies that you need to use 1.8m long stakes and 2.15m long straining posts. We would normally use 1.65m (5ft 6in) stakes and 2.1m (7ft) long strainers. I'm thinking of going for the 6ft stakes, but very reluctant to start using 8ft strainers. Obviously they cant see what length youve used once in the ground but unless you can get the supplier to alter the invoice info you're probably gonna get flagged for it!!

Just wondered if there were others on here that have already done fencing on the scheme and whether they risked it, or did it by the book???

Another thing... The height of fence specified is 1.05m. I'm hoping this is including a strand or two of barbed wire on top, so we can use the normal 80cm stock netting. Or does it mean we have to use 1.05m high netting before the barbed wire?

Hi has anyone seen any diagrams of diagonal strutting?
I can not get my head around where their 45degrees come from
I have been doing box strutting for34 years and never had any condemned until last November
I don't seem to be able to contact anyone in the RPA that has any knowledge of fencing
I've just had another contractor ring to say he has just had a job turned down because of box strutting
Tornado wire proved years ago that box strutting is 4 times stronger than diag struts
What is ever ones view?

It's not just FG1 & FG2, FG12
Who actually writes these?

Where in these recommendations does it require that a gates should be hung?

Would it be permitted to secure my gate off of the ground, onto the posts with baler twine?

Whoever has written these requirements has gone into great detail about how to build your own gate. Digging holes, sizes, filling with concrete, or to tamp the soil compacted in 150mm layers, and how to install "wings"

No mention of whatsoever of bashing posts in, by use of a machine which I'm guessing is the chosen method by 99% of contractors/farmers.

No mention of the current BRITISH STANDARD
BS 5709:2018 Gaps, gates and stiles. Specification.

Furthermore they are insisting on turning down box struts even if they 100% comply with their own FG1 & FG2 stipulations along with the BRITISH STANDARD BS 1722 -2 :2020
(Which we all have to hand, right?!)

Common sense has completely gone out of the window! Does anyone have a number for someone at DEFRA or the RPA who knows what there talking about, so I may ask these questions myself?

 

[tepapa]

Yes struts! Also perhaps the amount of staples required under the new BS and the treating of cross cut and morticed timber.





It's not just FG1 & FG2, FG12
Who actually writes these?

Where in these recommendations does it require that a gates should be hung?

Would it be permitted to secure my gate off of the ground, onto the posts with baler twine?

Whoever has written these requirements has gone into great detail about how to build your own gate. Digging holes, sizes, filling with concrete, or to tamp the soil compacted in 150mm layers, and how to install "wings"

No mention of whatsoever of bashing posts in, by use of a machine which I'm guessing is the chosen method by 99% of contractors/farmers.

No mention of the current BRITISH STANDARD
BS 5709:2018 Gaps, gates and stiles. Specification.

Furthermore they are insisting on turning down box struts even if they 100% comply with their own FG1 & FG2 stipulations along with the BRITISH STANDARD BS 1722 -2 :2020
(Which we all have to hand, right?!)

Common sense has completely gone out of the window! Does anyone have a number for someone at DEFRA or the RPA who knows what there talking about, so I may ask these questions myself?

Plenty of other wtf specs in there too.

Doesn't say how many wires it needs for plain wire fences. Hardly any spec for deer fencing, they'd probably accept nox strainers for deer fencing.

 

[Contractor Guy]

Has anyone heard from the RPA regarding box strutting ?
I have emailed them 3 times since december and no one has replied yet
No one can give me a diagram of how they want strutting to be done and the angles they should be set at so how do they expect the job to be done to their way of fencing ?
Evidently been wrote by someone who has never put a fence up in our ground conditions.
Has anyone got a conntact in the RPA with a bit of common and a bit of clout?

 

[tepapa]

No sorry I have heard any definite info from them although I am in the process of writing for clarification myself.