Food prices,have I missed something

[Hilly]

they are very clever operators, as are all the major retailers.
so, perhaps they think the current higher prices, will encourage farmers to produce more, and they can lower prices, as soon as that happens, and to be fair, that is what usually happens.

This time, they might be in for a big shock, whichever way you look at it, supply is less than demand, not only here, but globally, chuck in higher input costs, less fert, cost of transport etc, the food surplus just isn't going to happen, and personally, l hope reality kicks them, where it really hurts.

There won't be food shortages in the UK, higher prices, and a lot less choice, less imported luxury high end product, and consumers will have to deal with that, Waste needs to be tackled, that is outside our control.

What l can see, is a change of attitude towards food. But you can be certain, those smarmie bas#tard retailers, will shift the blame to us.

Nail on head .

 

[kiwi pom]

There is a huge amount of slack in the system - land currently used for energy crops/ alcohol/ pick your drug of choice/ - to up food production should it be necessary. Any shortages will be engineered by those set to profit from them.

If there is no fertiliser the demand for everything you mention will rise too, we still need energy, especially with current events. Some land will switch to food - probably too late as people need to eat everyday, not wait 6 months for a harvest - but the reality is without artificial fertilisers we won't have enough food long term even if all the land switches to food production. It won't matter how many different processors or retailers there are, there won't be enough.

 

[kiwi pom]

they are very clever operators, as are all the major retailers.
so, perhaps they think the current higher prices, will encourage farmers to produce more, and they can lower prices, as soon as that happens, and to be fair, that is what usually happens.

This time, they might be in for a big shock, whichever way you look at it, supply is less than demand, not only here, but globally, chuck in higher input costs, less fert, cost of transport etc, the food surplus just isn't going to happen, and personally, l hope reality kicks them, where it really hurts.

There won't be food shortages in the UK, higher prices, and a lot less choice, less imported luxury high end product, and consumers will have to deal with that, Waste needs to be tackled, that is outside our control.

What l can see, is a change of attitude towards food. But you can be certain, those smarmie bas#tard retailers, will shift the blame to us.

Its amazing how well much of the planet manages to feed itself so easily. Everyone involved in the food production industry does a good job in my opinion, from farmers to processors, retailers and al the transport in between. Its so good that those not involved don't think twice about where food comes from.
I see no good in any part of it failing, farmers are talking about scaling back, what if everyone else involved does too? All these other companies are owned by people that want to make money, if they look like struggling they'll just pack up, then what? Who's taking their place?
Things are a bit wobbly at the moment, I hope that doesn't last long.
I don't believe that getting rid of much of the current chain will, vastly improve farmers lives.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Its amazing how well much of the planet manages to feed itself so easily. Everyone involved in the food production industry does a good job in my opinion, from farmers to processors, retailers and al the transport in between. Its so good that those not involved don't think twice about where food comes from.
I see no good in any part of it failing, farmers are talking about scaling back, what if everyone else involved does too? All these other companies are owned by people that want to make money, if they look like struggling they'll just pack up, then what? Who's taking their place?
Things are a bit wobbly at the moment, I hope that doesn't last long.
I don't believe that getting rid of much of the current chain will, vastly improve farmers lives.

Who actually takes responsibility for food availability in the 'developed' countries.
They seem to be sitting back and leaving it to the market.
If banks providing money are 'too big to fail', what about those producing food.
Those countries who have experience of food shortages are very busy taken actions to avert a disaster.

UK farmers are in trouble.
I have been very optimistic about our future but things have turned.
We are the sector thats going to get squeezed out of existence.
Everyone will be putting downward pressure on our output and upward pressure on our inputs.
I don't think they will realise their fudged without us until we are gone.

 

[wrenbird]

In a way it doesn’t matter whether the world is awash with food that is being wasted, largely in the wealthy west, or whether shortages, real or otherwise, are talked up and exploited for financial gain, if there are large populations around the world that cannot feed their families because they can’t access or afford food, then that will be a trigger for huge problems for the whole world.
As Clarkson, and others, have pointed out, the problems are not necessarily immediate, but, if farmers around the world cannot afford to plant this year for the next harvest, then there will be trouble.
It will be the cost of production that will be the deciding factor for primary producers around the world, if it costs you 100 and, even with rising prices, you are only going to get 60 back, why would you produce it?

 

[Hilly]

In a way it doesn’t matter whether the world is awash with food that is being wasted, largely in the wealthy west, or whether shortages, real or otherwise, are talked up and exploited for financial gain, if there are large populations around the world that cannot feed their families because they can’t access or afford food, then that will be a trigger for huge problems for the whole world.
As Clarkson, and others, have pointed out, the problems are not necessarily immediate, but, if farmers around the world cannot afford to plant this year for the next harvest, then there will be trouble.
It will be the cost of production that will be the deciding factor for primary producers around the world, if it costs you 100 and, even with rising prices, you are only going to get 60 back, why would you produce it?

This is the issue , trading at high prices low proffit is bad its just high risk turn over , margins need to increase not price and thats the hard bit !

 

[Yale]

The conundrum in the UK and EU will be whether to use gas for AN production to produce more food or households to heat and cook the food next winter.

If gas is limited you can’t have both.

You don’t mean to tell me that Putin is not going to have his hand on the gas taps this winter if the war situation continues.

 

[teslacoils]

Cutting the price of a tube of pringles from £3.50 to £1.75 is still a dear way to eat three potatoes.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

It will be the cost of production that will be the deciding factor for primary producers around the world, if it costs you 100 and, even with rising prices, you are only going to get 60 back, why would you produce it?

And yet many UK farmers continue to do exactly that and rely on filling the gap with government money and /or diversification income

 

[Kidds]

And yet many UK farmers continue to do exactly that and rely on filling the gap with government money and /or diversification income

It seems to be the business model for UK ag.

 

[wrenbird]

Many primary producers elsewhere in the world won’t have government money or secondary income sources, so you would imagine that they will have to cut back to survive. Not to worry, we don’t need to produce anything here, we are going to buy cheap, plentiful food from around globe whilst living it up in our high tech, high wage, tax haven little island.

 

[Yale]

Many primary producers elsewhere in the world won’t have government money or secondary income sources, so you would imagine that they will have to cut back to survive. Not to worry, we don’t need to produce anything here, we are going to buy cheap, plentiful food from around globe whilst living it up in our high tech, high wage, tax haven little island.

It’s an experiment however I wouldn’t say it’s going well!

 

[wrenbird]

Cutting the price of a tube of pringles from £3.50 to £1.75 is still a dear way to eat three potatoes.

I’m shocked that it’s as many as three, the way it’s mushed up and flattened I imagined it was less than that.

 

[teslacoils]

I’m shocked that it’s as many as three, the way it’s mushed up and flattened I imagined it was less than that.

There's potatoes and potatoes.

 

[Simple life]

Fall, I presume. Read elsewhere that a spokes person from M&S say there'll be no food shortages.
We'll see...........
Arrogant twits.

Someone tell me what price 2755 fert was in 1986 cause just had words with my diesel delivery driver who told me I was doing well nowadays with milk price at 41 pence a litre.Told him in 1986 I just left school paid 11 pence for diesel and got 22 pence litre for milk.Paid him £1.04 a litre this morning on this basis should get £2.08 a litre for milk.All through April I paid £944 a tonne for 27 5 5 fert.I am desperate to find out the equivalent price in 1986 .

 

[Macsky]

The conundrum in the UK and EU will be whether to use gas for AN production to produce more food or households to heat and cook the food next winter.

If gas is limited you can’t have both.

You don’t mean to tell me that Putin is not going to have his hand on the gas taps this winter if the war situation continues.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526461582850543621

Have a read of that twitter thread if you can, doesn’t seem to be a shortage.

 

[Cowabunga]

As far as the ruminant livestock supply situation is concerned, locally people are using far less fertiliser and many of those are planning on de-stocking as this Summer turns in Autumn. They will not have the silage to keep the current numbers over Winter. Many beef farmers in particular but also milk and sheep are on the same course, although many beef farmers, especially suckler herd owners are considering substituting some more sheep for cows.
There is no current shortage in Europe and will not be as farmers reduce their stock numbers going into Winter. From the end of the year forwards, with concentrate costs up nearer £500/ton compared with just over half that last year, unless farm output prices rise substantially from where it is currently, food will just not be produced in the volume required and at a cost affordable to all.

This supertanker of an industry takes ages to steer, whether to the left or right but steer too much one way and it might hit the bank, blocking the canal for ages before it can be steered back the other way.

 

[Cowabunga]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526461582850543621

Have a read of that twitter thread if you can, doesn’t seem to be a shortage.

There’s no shortage in the UK due to existing pipeline and LPG shipments. There is a shortage elsewhere though because of throttled supply and a commitment not to buy from a certain aggressive warmongering country. The choice not to buy from that country inevitably causes prices to rise.