Horizon, another kicking for farmers

[Henarar]

Were they born on the farm ? How did he get away with not treating his cows ? We were watched by some bloke from the ministry on at least two occasions

yes they were born on farm
nobody there watching
He just thought that if it was strong enough to go through leather it wasn't a good idea, he never used any poor on at all

 

[Tarw Coch]

Yes I read that when you posted it before and I agree with what your saying, what I was pointing out was the fact that beef and sheep seem to be getting the finger pointed at them with no mention of dairy cows that seem to be increasing all the time.

Think you’ll find if you look up statistics that dairy cow numbers are infact falling.

 

[glasshouse]

I believe,and always will,that BSE was caused by every keeper of bovine animals being compelled by law to pour organophosphorous compound along the back of every beast on their holding to eradicate warble fly. Of course if this were proven so it would be very embarrassing for HM government !

Same with foot and mouth, guaranteed it came from argentina via army swill to heddon on the wall.

 

[glasshouse]

Still nice to be without warble fly of course.

No, i used to enjoy popping them like giant zits

 

[glasshouse]

We know the government was the cause, they reduced the temperature at which carcasses were rendered and they drastically increased the number of carcasses going into the system.
They licensed a system which was used in the USA to render cattle carcasses which produced a far higher grade of MBM.
Traditional MBM was a low grade protein with limited use and was got rid of by including it in ruminant rations by law!
Also the market for the fat was slowing down as the traditional market was margarine and that had taken a caning as it was seen to be using product which had been condemned unfit for human consumption.
A dutch owned abbatoir in Boston gained permission for a licence to operate one of these new plants given by the outgoing Labour government in 1979
The rest is history

What was the name of the dutchman?
Did he not finish huge numbers of holstein cattle?

 

[matthew]

if it was down to OP's for warbles how come we had two with BSE but didn't use the Warble stuff, Dad signed to say he had but he never put it on the cows

I had an argument with Mark Purdey about this. In our case it was not the treated cow who subsequently succumbed to BSE, but her unborn calf, especially in a certain stage of the pregnancy.
We had about 14 cases. All different symptoms, depending on which part of the brain was affected. None like the much photographed poor old cow.

Private Eye certainly did a report, but I am afraid The recently late departed Christopher Booker was a good friend of Mark Purdy, which may well have influenced the outcome.

Booker and North spoke to several people whose cattle had had BSE, about their experiences. PE did a special on FMD. Not sure about BSE but we all did reports to the Philips enquiry.
Booker was sure we would called to give evidence. We were not.

Same with foot and mouth, guaranteed it came from argentina via army swill to heddon on the wall.

Nope.

 

[glasshouse]

I had an argument with Mark Purdey about this. In our case it was not the treated cow who subsequently succumbed to BSE, but her unborn calf, especially in a certain stage of the pregnancy.
We had about 14 cases. All different symptoms, depending on which part of the brain was affected. None like the much photographed poor old cow.



Booker and North spoke to several people whose cattle had had BSE, about their experiences. PE did a special on FMD. Not sure about BSE but we all did reports to the Philips enquiry.
Booker was sure we would called to give evidence. We were not.



Nope.

So where did f&m come from then?

 

[matthew]

So where did f&m come from then?

Wrong thread for that, but not Bobby Waugh and not swill.

 

[glasshouse]

Wrong thread for that, but not Bobby Waugh and not swill.

Dont keep us in suspense

 

[matthew]

Dont keep us in suspense

Some background is here.

http://www.warmwell.com/footmoutheye.html

Briefly: the disease was in the sheep the previous autumn.
It presents as mild in sheep, vicious in cattle and a ‘plume’ in pigs. A colleague of mine met an Meat Hygiene Inspector from the midlands at a conference, who confirmed FMD had been found in abattoir sheep bloods but with no ID they hadn’t a clue where it come from, or how far it had spread.
Local vets received an alert with illustrations, of what to look for, and preparations were made throughout the autumn of 2000 for mass slaughter.

Further detective work after PE was published, established that during 2000, two trials were done using FMD virus. One was on vaccines at minimal security. Level 1. But the other was bio weapons, at Level 4 (high) security as it was using a human genetically modified insert.

Both projects had the same ID number.

Bobby Waugh had a visit to one building on his farm at Heddon on the Wall from TS officers, who had just left the sheep market at Hexham. It was in this building that clinical FMD was found.

He was a convenient swill feeder, but I do not believe he was the source.

 

[glasshouse]

Some background is here.

http://www.warmwell.com/footmoutheye.html

Briefly: the disease was in the sheep the previous autumn.
It presents as mild in sheep, vicious in cattle and a ‘plume’ in pigs. A colleague of mine met an Meat Hygiene Inspector from the midlands at a conference, who confirmed FMD had been found in abattoir sheep bloods but with no ID they hadn’t a clue where it come from, or how far it had spread.
Local vets received an alert with illustrations, of what to look for, and preparations were made throughout the autumn of 2000 for mass slaughter.

Further detective work after PE was published, established that during 2000, two trials were done using FMD virus. One was on vaccines at minimal security. Level 1. But the other was bio weapons, at Level 4 (high) security as it was using a human genetically modified insert.

Both projects had the same ID number.

Bobby Waugh had a visit to one building on his farm at Heddon on the Wall from TS officers, who had just left the sheep market at Hexham. It was in this building that clinical FMD was found.

He was a convenient swill feeder, but I do not believe he was the source.

So how did it get into the sheep?
There was id at the time, batch id which would have led to a number of farms to check. Simples.
Modern day carcases have no id as the head comes off first

 

[matthew]

So how did it get into the sheep?
There was id at the time, batch id which would have led to a number of farms to check. Simples.
Modern day carcases have no id as the head comes off first

It is likely the level 4 product was tested on sheep, in what should have been a secure facility. But wasn’t.

Rent a flock operated to comply with retention periods for a headage subsidy and these sheep ended up all over the country. Often counted multiple times so ID was not a given.

Only reporting what I was told at the time, by the people most involved.

 

[glasshouse]

It is likely the level 4 product was tested on sheep, in what should have been a secure facility. But wasn’t.

Rent a flock operated to comply with retention periods for a headage subsidy and these sheep ended up all over the country. Often counted multiple times so ID was not a given.

Only reporting what I was told at the time, by the people most involved.

So the level four product f**kup caused the outbreak.?

 

[Bruce Almighty]

Back to bse I remember seeing a programme on tv with Mark Purdey talking about bse & manganese madness
Does anyone remember it ?
I think Mn madness was a problem in Cz republic ?

 

[glasshouse]

Then there was the human bones from india that found their way into cattle rations

 

[glasshouse]

It is likely the level 4 product was tested on sheep, in what should have been a secure facility. But wasn’t.

Rent a flock operated to comply with retention periods for a headage subsidy and these sheep ended up all over the country. Often counted multiple times so ID was not a given.

Only reporting what I was told at the time, by the people most involved.

the sheep being moved to claim subsidy were being moved perfectly legally in 99% of cases, and there was traditionally large movements of breeding sheep in spring anyway as away wintered flocks come home.
Those breeding sheep would not have gone to slaughter, so the f and m found in blood at the slaughte house could easily have been traced.
In case you are wondering, yes , foot and mouth cost me a six figure sum, which has never returned to my bank and is still costing me interest

 

[matthew]

So the level four product fudgeup caused the outbreak.?

Can't be ruled out.
Bricks in the wall really. As were the people involved in FMD 'preparations' during autumn 2000. They were not printing notices, stacking sleepers or stockpiling for the fun of it. MAFF ordered the product and MAFF paid, months ahead of the clinical announcement in February 2001 and a belated movement shut down.

I wasn't involved in sheep at all in 2000 , but it was said that sheep were moved farm to farm to comply with headage numbers for the retention period subsidy. Willie Cleave, and other dealers in Devon whose sheep escapades from the north, subsequently covered devon in FMD, was the source of that angle.
Once a few infected sheep had been through a northern sheep market - Longtown, Hexham etc., and were loaded, the scene was set for spread.

Sheep arrived on an arable farm near Barnstaple, North Devon in September 2000, and experienced waves of lameness throughout the winter, abortions in January and were finally slaughtered as clinical FMD in April 2001.
They had had no contact with any other animal in that time.

 

[uztrac]

Bye bye TV licence.

I have already stopped my tv licence,but it looks as though I may have to commence payment again next June.I dislike the biased broadcaster so my decline to pay!!!

 

[Henarar]

I have already stopped my tv licence,but it looks as though I may have to commence payment again next June.I dislike the biased broadcaster so my decline to pay!!!

I think if the BBC was pay to view they wouldn't get many views, I wouldn't pay for it that's for sure

 

[Northeastfarmer]

I have already stopped my tv licence,but it looks as though I may have to commence payment again next June.I dislike the biased broadcaster so my decline to pay!!!

Why are you going to have to start paying again?