JCB 411 agri any good?

[L P]

As above. Reach issues are understood, are they tough and dependable as a shovel should be or are they jcb toffee and not what you'd expect of an industrial machine that can do 20000 hrs of very hard work as a komatsu or volvo would do? I've not been impressed by quality/longevity in my past jcb purchases but do like the idea of a basic small loading shovel for longevity

 

[L P]

Anyone? Even on the bigger Jacob shovels have much of relevance to say? I gather they are not an l50 Volvo for quality, but surely there is more than one owner in the UK I could hear from as to their experience. Looks just perfect for what I could do with. @Clive you've got or had them in the past I believe and been complimentary.
Looking at a 2017 model, jcb care to 8000hr which its done and looks mint still in the photos. I'd not buy a jcb tele at 8000hrs, am I daft to consider a shovel to be more rugged and durable and capable of another 8000 without great issue?

 

[dave7840]

Depends on what you plan in doing with it. For general yard loader work they are fine but if you want to push or work on soft ground they are under powered. Chandlers have our old one for sale which we replaced with a 413s which is in a different league for pushing but the 411 would match it for lift

 

[L P]

Depends on what you plan in doing with it. For general yard loader work they are fine but if you want to push or work on soft ground they are under powered. Chandlers have our old one for sale which we replaced with a 413s which is in a different league for pushing but the 411 would match it for lift

To be honest I'm hoping to give it a charmed existence, bit of muck, mostly grain handling, really general yard work. Have been running a 6030 Scorpion which has been really good machine.. bit of a sidestep upgrade I'm looking at to be honest, I'd like to forego the telescopic boom in favour of all exposed wear components and pipes, the hydrostatic for mechanical, the vv pump for fixed. Just conscious that my excellent Scorpion could cost more than its worth in a year as its hours go up, and 411 really shouldn't unless it's horrible for many years. Seen yours advertised, did it behave well bar power?

 

[dave7840]

We only brought it 17 months ago and did 1600 hours In a little over 12 months, didn't do more than a couple of day this year before we sold it last month and all it had was a o ring in the brake valve and the rubber drive coupler between the engine and gearbox ( not a big job)

 

[L P]

We only brought it 17 months ago and did 1600 hours In a little over 12 months, didn't do more than a couple of day this year before we sold it last month and all it had was a o ring in the brake valve and the rubber drive coupler between the engine and gearbox ( not a big job)

Spot on. Was it comfortable BTW? If its reliable enough not to get out of, is it a good place to stay in? Is the 413 leagues ahead or just by power a better machine?

 

[dave7840]

I've driven a fair few different shovels and I think the jcb cab is the best to sit in, I spent nearly 6000 hours in a 437 in 22 months. The power is the only reason we sold it, the lift and breakout is the same

 

[L P]

I've driven a fair few different shovels and I think the jcb cab is the best to sit in, I spent nearly 6000 hours in a 437 in 22 months. The power is the only reason we sold it, the lift and breakout is the same

Many thanks, 109 bullet proof horsepower to do a basic job is all I'm after if the tub is comfy and reliable

 

[ColB]

Interested in this also, looking to change up our very old loader and trying to decide if a JCB 411 or 412 would be safer buy than a manitou 627/629 or JCB 526 or the likes.

Mainly feeding bale silage, grab for maize, operating spread a bale, pushing up dung. Stacking silage/straw in summer.

Reach would it be needed for straw stacking or construction DIY.

Are they quick on the road to travel to a second yard near by?

 

[L P]

Interested in this also, looking to change up our very old loader and trying to decide if a JCB 411 or 412 would be safer buy than a manitou 627/629 or JCB 526 or the likes.

Mainly feeding bale silage, grab for maize, operating spread a bale, pushing up dung. Stacking silage/straw in summer.

Reach would it be needed for straw stacking or construction DIY.

Are they quick on the road to travel to a second yard near by?

Just done a 500 mile round trip and gone firm on it. Built like a tank compared to a telehandler. It's a slug going up hill but gravity helps 40k downhill if it's an issue, 40k might be achievable on the flat but not certain. Very nice cab, good hydraulic cycles, very simple accessible servicing points, it had an aura of no nonsense that the telehandlers don't, you can just about get at everything... always hated the plethora of valves/pipes under the boom and in it on rigid.... up, down, crowd, 3rd service, steer... not much on it and I like that a lot. Its very tall, lots of steps in and out, huge lift weight but poor reach. I liked it's simplicity a lot and think I'll get on well with it, lots of sacrifice, lots of benefit. Think really, really strong tractor loader with agility and visibility and a lot simpler with the weight at the right end, it's not a telehandler at all. Reach is the biggest issue to put you off.

 

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Just done a 500 mile round trip and gone firm on it. Built like a tank compared to a telehandler. It's a slug going up hill but gravity helps 40k downhill if it's an issue, 40k might be achievable on the flat but not certain. Very nice cab, good hydraulic cycles, very simple accessible servicing points, it had an aura of no nonsense that the telehandlers don't, you can just about get at everything... always hated the plethora of valves/pipes under the boom and in it on rigid.... up, down, crowd, 3rd service, steer... not much on it and I like that a lot. Its very tall, lots of steps in and out, huge lift weight but poor reach. I liked it's simplicity a lot and think I'll get on well with it, lots of sacrifice, lots of benefit. Think really, really strong tractor loader with agility and visibility and a lot simpler with the weight at the right end, it's not a telehandler at all. Reach is the biggest issue to put you off.

Has it got an automatic lubrication system on it? If fitted the pins should last a very long time?

 

[L P]

Has it got an automatic lubrication system on it? If fitted the pins should last a very long time?

Not this one, it's been supercleaned and not a sight of grease anywhere. But it's very taught and drives as new. Every sign of being cared for but no evidence.... as new I guess

 

[dave7840]

Sounds better than our old one, it had the 30k box which really let it down, only 30k downhill with the wind behind you, not that it went on the road. The new 413 sits at 52k on the flat

 

[jackrussell101]

How much is the 411 compared to the 413?

 

[dave7840]

I bet there would 20 thousand difference the two, for what is basically the same machines

 

[Old Spot]

As above. Reach issues are understood, are they tough and dependable as a shovel should be or are they jcb toffee and not what you'd expect of an industrial machine that can do 20000 hrs of very hard work as a komatsu or volvo would do? I've not been impressed by quality/longevity in my past jcb purchases but do like the idea of a basic small loading shovel for longevity

We have a 1985 412, zillion hours, still going.
my mechanic mate said fair play it’s the only think you lot haven’t managed to break. Serviced every decade wether it needs it or not. Sure it has limits but indestructible

 

[jackrussell101]

We used to run a Muir Hill A5000 and sold it when it had done 34,000 hours to another farmer who still uses it today

 

[ColB]

Was looking at a 2004/2005, would they be painful slow up a hill?

 

[Blue.]

Just done a 500 mile round trip and gone firm on it. Built like a tank compared to a telehandler. It's a slug going up hill but gravity helps 40k downhill if it's an issue, 40k might be achievable on the flat but not certain. Very nice cab, good hydraulic cycles, very simple accessible servicing points, it had an aura of no nonsense that the telehandlers don't, you can just about get at everything... always hated the plethora of valves/pipes under the boom and in it on rigid.... up, down, crowd, 3rd service, steer... not much on it and I like that a lot. Its very tall, lots of steps in and out, huge lift weight but poor reach. I liked it's simplicity a lot and think I'll get on well with it, lots of sacrifice, lots of benefit. Think really, really strong tractor loader with agility and visibility and a lot simpler with the weight at the right end, it's not a telehandler at all. Reach is the biggest issue to put you off.

Walling Uk?

 

[L P]

Walling Uk?

Yes