Lamb rejected by abattoir after being sold in live action?

[Nithsdale]

I think we all know some stock doesn’t grade as it should...

But we all know a bloody good lamb will be stolen Infront of you if it's heavy coated, or god forbid has a topknot... £5 deduction straight away for a Suffolk head (yet they make the exact same ppkg as a Texel when hung up - and actually kill out better, IMO, earlier in the season...).

But the live buyers are doing you a favour taking it...

 

[Northeastfarmer]

But we all know a bloody good lamb will be stolen Infront of you if it's heavy coated, or god forbid has a topknot... £5 deduction straight away for a Suffolk head (yet they make the exact same ppkg as a Texel when hung up - and actually kill out better, IMO, earlier in the season...).

You need to know where to market what in this day and age and not stick with the same outlet your grandad did

 

[Nithsdale]

You need to know where to market what in this day and age and not stick with the same outlet your grandad did

But it's whit we'v ayways dun!

 

[gone up the hill]

Exactly, as far as you were aware in terms of medical history etc & your eye/opinion as livestock man it was fit. As a buyer they also thought it fit obviously.
I'd tell market in no uncertain terms.

So if you bought a new car from a dealer that had a warranty ( same as a FCI form is basically ) and drove it of the forecourt and just 10 miles down the road and the engine blew up would you stand the loss or go back to the dealer @Man_in_black ??

 

[Nithsdale]

That is a really sh*t analogy.

FCI is not a warranty, nothing like one. It is a simple declaration that the animal is free of any medicinal withdrawal periods, and is being sold with no known medical conditions making it unfit to enter the food chain.

In other words, if they kill the lamb and find you dosed it with Closantel last week, but you've signed the form (which is compulsory) you're up sh*t creek for KNOWINGLY trying to enter an animal into the food chain whilst it is still under retention.

It does not cover any unknown or undetectable internal conditions which may be found upon slaughter. Every abattoir in the country has a govt. vet overseeing every animal in its final hours... they hold the final say whether the animal is fit to be slaughtered

I refer back to my post;

 

[JSmith]

But we all know a bloody good lamb will be stolen Infront of you if it's heavy coated, or god forbid has a topknot... £5 deduction straight away for a Suffolk head (yet they make the exact same ppkg as a Texel when hung up - and actually kill out better, IMO, earlier in the season...).

But the live buyers are doing you a favour taking it...

Couldn’t agree more, unless it’s got a white face you know your on the back foot straight away at market! On the dead doesn’t matter whether it’s red white or blue you’ll get paid for it! No commission, no auctioneers knocking the weight off to keep the buyers sweet, no buyers falling out with the auctioneer two pens before yours! Sell every lamb on the dead an never had whole carcass chucked up like that

 

[Northeastfarmer]

On the dead doesn’t matter whether it’s red white or blue you’ll get paid for it! No commission, no auctioneers knocking the weight off to keep the buyers sweet, no buyers falling out with the auctioneer two pens before yours! Sell every lamb on the dead an never had whole carcass chucked up like that

You were only slagging the dead off yesterday! saying
“Like on the dead when they only pay to certain weight, what happens to the excess weight?? Never come across the free meet aisle in Sainsbury’s”
Make your mind up!

 

[JSmith]

You were only slagging the dead off yesterday! saying
“Like on the dead when they only pay to certain weight, what happens to the excess weight?? Never come across the free meet aisle in Sainsbury’s”
Make your mind up!

Sorry wasn’t slagging it off, more of a small gripe really, always have the odd lamb over spec when we first start drawing springers. Not a problem once your into them, wouldn’t want to be sending over weight every week though!

 

[Man_in_black]

So if you bought a new car from a dealer that had a warranty ( same as a FCI form is basically ) and drove it of the forecourt and just 10 miles down the road and the engine blew up would you stand the loss or go back to the dealer @Man_in_black ??

It's nothing like that. A new car is a machine that has been created, tested internally and declared fit for purpose.

FCI is a form of honesty & fact, but it's not a health test of the animal. An engine blowing up would be tantamount to the lamb having a heart attack and keeling over and I wouldn't expect anyone to try claiming anything back for that either.

 

[gone up the hill]

It's nothing like that. A new car is a machine that has been created, tested internally and declared fit for purpose.

FCI is a form of honesty & fact, but it's not a health test of the animal. An engine blowing up would be tantamount to the lamb having a heart attack and keeling over and I wouldn't expect anyone to try claiming anything back for that either.

Principal is the same!

The OP signed the FCI form stating his animal was fit to enter the food chain, it clearly wasn't so therefore he has to stand the loss.

If he hadn't signed the FCI form then it would have been the buyers loss.

 

[Al R]

Principal is the same!

The OP signed the FCI form stating his animal was fit to enter the food chain, it clearly wasn't so therefore he has to stand the loss.

If he hadn't signed the FCI form then it would have been the buyers loss.

After 6 pages your still not getting the point
the FCI box was ticked because it looked good enough to kill/didn’t have any withdrawals on it.
I had one of my best lamb’s in May keel over and have a heart attack 20 metres from the loading site, these things happen - people buying in markets know the risk and that’s why their often referred to as “gamblers” if it was a dead cert to make money on every single animal you bid/buy then everyone would be buying in the marts!

 

[Al R]

Isn't there market insurance for the likes of this?

FCI form is a declaration it's fit for human consumption meaning free from drug/medicine withdrawals. You can't see inside a living animal...

@GUTH 107 comments later and you still don’t get what every other person has commented, @Nithsdale Farmer hit the nail on the head with the post above within a few comments of the original thread start.

 

[yellowbelly]

Anyhow you guys, enough of the bickering - Back to the OP......

@taff Any further developments?

Did you follow it up? If you're not getting paid 'cos they condemned it, do they stand the disposal cost?

Just interested to know how you got on.

 

[som farmer]

we have had odd cull cow condemned at abattoir, but never had a disposal bill, it does make you wonder why. But there's no way of finding out what happened to the meat.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

we have had odd cull cow condemned at abattoir, but never had a disposal bill, it does make you wonder why. But there's no way of finding out what happened to the meat.

Ask them for it back

 

[glensman]

Anyhow you guys, enough of the bickering - Back to the OP......

@taff Any further developments?

Did you follow it up? If you're not getting paid 'cos they condemned it, do they stand the disposal cost?

Just interested to know how you got on.

Have you never heard the old saying " where there is a guth there will be bickering "

 

[taff]

Sorry haven't let you all know we are autumn lambing and to be honest this is a minor problem at the moment I don't wanna moan but it's been terrible!
Anyway got the meat inspectors report and it was my lamb and all condemned as they said tape worm infection in plain language. The slaughter house haven't charged me anything for killing or disposal.
But the auctioneers have charged me full commission and refuse to pay for the lamb I haven't raised the issue of insurance its probably not worth the hassle but next time I see them face to face I'll ask.
As the farmer it was my fault it was infected basically so that's probably the end of it but I did laugh reading various articles about how important it is we support livestock markets instead of selling dead but I see no reason to when they seem to now treat you the same and generally pay you less

 

[Tim W]

What i want to know is if say the buyer pays £80 /head for a pen of lambs at mart that he thinks will kill out at 19.5 kg and make him £85 at the abattoir -----but then gets the kill sheet back and finds that they made £90 ----will he then inform the market that in fact he got more than he paid for and he needs to make sure the vendor gets an extra £4/head?
Or i am just naive to think it would work that way too?

 

[Woolless]

What i want to know is if say the buyer pays £80 /head for a pen of lambs at mart that he thinks will kill out at 19.5 kg and make him £85 at the abattoir -----but then gets the kill sheet back and finds that they made £90 ----will he then inform the market that in fact he got more than he paid for and he needs to make sure the vendor gets an extra £4/head?
Or i am just naive to think it would work that way too?

Oh Tim, you do make me laugh!

 

[taff]

What i want to know is if say the buyer pays £80 /head for a pen of lambs at mart that he thinks will kill out at 19.5 kg and make him £85 at the abattoir -----but then gets the kill sheet back and finds that they made £90 ----will he then inform the market that in fact he got more than he paid for and he needs to make sure the vendor gets an extra £4/head?
Or i am just naive to think it would work that way too?

Ha yea why can't it ever work like that we would be rushing back to support our livestock markets in our droves.
I remember on a live to dead course once walking past a massive shed full of skins I asked why there were so many there the slaughter mans reply was they were waiting for the price to go! up I'd happily wait to be paid if I knew I was going to get more money? but then I'd probably be on here moaning if it went down ?