Lamborghini 115 Question

[George Kaplan]

Hi folks, I am new on this site and I have a question although before that I will introduce myself as I couldn't see an introductions section in the forums.

Firstly, I am not a farmer. I am a desk jockey with a house and small piece of land which my wife and daughter keep some horses on. Before I was a desk jockey I had a few different jobs including operating plant and machinery in the civil engineering industry. So whilst I know almost nothing about tractors and tractoring I do know a bit about diggers having maybe 10 to 15 thousand hours on excavators, shovels and the like.

We have a telehandler for yard work and recently decided to buy a tractor so that we can save time doing things like mowing the paddocks (up to now we have been using a mower towed by a quad) or moving horse muck and such like. I have applied the same logic that i use for diggers, i.e. a bigger digger will do everything a small/mini digger will do but it will do it quicker and in most cases better. So instead of buying a compact tractor we have bought a Lamborghini Formula 115. Folks on here might think that this is a really stupid thing to do or a terrible machine but the deed is done so no going back or at least not for a while anyway.

As would be expected for a machine that's not far off 30 years old it has a few issues although I am hoping that they are not too difficult to deal with. Most things are the usual minor leaks and such like or the fact that the AC doesnt work (no surprise there). The seat has been re-covered although the suspension is shot so I will get a rebuild kit and fix it before my back needs fixing instead.

However the main issue that I would like to address are the controls for the rear linkage. The previous owner has bypassed the control panel in the cab and wired in a box with seperate up and down buttons, similar to the buttons on the rear mudguard for attaching implements, except inside the cab.

So, my question is, does anyone on here know where I can get a wiring diagram or even better a workshop manual for this machine?

Thanks in advance.

George.

 

[spark plug]

Can’t see anything exact here but, could be worth an email:

Lamborghini Tractor Manuals

At Agrimanuals we supply manuals for all makes of tractors and farm machinery. We stock a wide range of construction machinery manuals for operators, parts, workshops, services, repair & much more.

www.agrimanuals.com

 

[suffolksmallholder]

Sounds like a nice posh tractor that once sorted will do you proud.
I have two elderly Deutz tractors with no electronics which means leg work when attaching equipment, but reliable simplicity.
I wish you well along with wishing I had external lift-arm buttons
SS

 

[Netherfield]

Not ex Clarkson is it?

 

[George Kaplan]

Sounds like a nice posh tractor that once sorted will do you proud.
I have two elderly Deutz tractors with no electronics which means leg work when attaching equipment, but reliable simplicity.
I wish you well along with wishing I had external lift-arm buttons
SS

Its the first tractor that I have ever owned so I dont have a benchmark but I hope you are right.

 

[George Kaplan]

Not ex Clarkson is it?

Lol. No its not. I guess Clarkson bought it for the fact that the name it made very good TV. I would hazard a guess that his Amazon fees would buy a few dozen new tractors and in that respect his Lambo was a shrewd investment.

 

[box]

Can you post a photo of the control panel? I've got a manual here for a SAME Silver 130 which might be the same as yours, but I suspect the panel in your Lambo may be the same as the one fitted to the Titan tractors.

 

[George Kaplan]

Can you post a photo of the control panel? I've got a manual here for a SAME Silver 130 which might be the same as yours, but I suspect the panel in your Lambo may be the same as the one fitted to the Titan tractors.

Hi Box. thanks for the reply. Here is the panel and also here is the back of it showing the Bosch part number.

Given that SLH or SAME seem to make both tractors I would guess that there is a good chance that they share some components.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Hi Box. thanks for the reply. Here is the panel and also here is the back of it showing the Bosch part number.

Given that SLH or SAME seem to make both tractors I would guess that there is a good chance that they share some components.

That’s the older version same as Same Antares. Silver 130 quoted above I’m guessing will have a blue rocker switch for up/down?
Do you have any lights on it? Does it flash an error code? What are the modifications done? Wired into fender switch? Does it have the hitch button by back window? Multifunction armrest?

 

[George Kaplan]

That’s the older version same as Same Antares. Silver 130 quoted above I’m guessing will have a blue rocker switch for up/down?
Do you have any lights on it? Does it flash an error code? What are the modifications done? Wired into fender switch? Does it have the hitch button by back window? Multifunction armrest?

Hi Mur Huwcon, thanks for the reply.


Do you mean the rocker switch on the right below the back window? This one does nothing and the owners manual doesnt mention it. I cant see a blue one anywhere

The control panel seems totally dead, no lights showing. You mention codes. I don't have a code reader other than an ODB2 reader and I assume tractors use a different interface? Of do you mean a code on the display above the control panel? In which case the display is very hard to read as its very scratched, currently it says 650. I think.

The modification is a box with two buttons with wires going out the back window. I think at least one of them goes to the fender switch on the left side. The original wires to the solonoids seem to be disconnected and cable tied out of the way

There is no multifunction armrest but now that you mention it the right armrest is missing so its possible it had one. Although the owners manual doesn't show a multi function arm rest so I assume it didn't have one.

 

[ridger]

Electric lift must have stopped working and it is wired probably direct to solenoid. Probably a fault on the control panel, job for @Combine Rescue

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Hi Mur Huwcon, thanks for the reply.


Do you mean the rocker switch on the right below the back window? This one does nothing and the owners manual doesnt mention it. I cant see a blue one anywhere

The control panel seems totally dead, no lights showing. You mention codes. I don't have a code reader other than an ODB2 reader and I assume tractors use a different interface? Of do you mean a code on the display above the control panel? In which case the display is very hard to read as its very scratched, currently it says 650. I think.

The modification is a box with two buttons with wires going out the back window. I think at least one of them goes to the fender switch on the left side. The original wires to the solonoids seem to be disconnected and cable tied out of the way

There is no multifunction armrest but now that you mention it the right armrest is missing so its possible it had one. Although the owners manual doesn't show a multi function arm rest so I assume it didn't have one.

Yes, the switch by rear window should lift to 100% to release PUH hooks. The lights on the control panel would flash an error code similar to three slow and five fast for a code 35!!! First thing to try would be to put wires back on solenoids and test for any power behind that control panel. Culprits could be where the cab harness plug is in bottom corner of cab not far from that hitch switch. Check there for connection issues

 

[George Kaplan]

Electric lift must have stopped working and it is wired probably direct to solenoid. Probably a fault on the control panel, job for @Combine Rescue

Its certain that the controls in the cab must have an issue. The lashed up box has 3 wires, one to each solenoid and one to a plug on the rear left mudguard which I am guessing is just to provide power for the solenoids

If I could find an electrical schematic I would like to see if I can find any obvious issues first. I am guessing that @Combine Rescue provides diagnostic services although I am hoping they are not in NI as that would be a bit far to come should I need them.

Yes, the switch by rear window should lift to 100% to release PUH hooks. The lights on the control panel would flash an error code similar to three slow and five fast for a code 35!!! First thing to try would be to put wires back on solenoids and test for any power behind that control panel. Culprits could be where the cab harness plug is in bottom corner of cab not far from that hitch switch. Check there for connection issues

Thanks, I had assumed that that switch lifted it up although at the moment its just there for decoration. No lights so no code I am afraid. I can see one of the original solenoid wires but cant see the second although I have not had too close a look as I have been busy with other jobs this weekend, I am sure its there somewhere.

There is a plug that's attached to the left mudguard which one of the three wires from the "new" controls goes to. I am not sure if that's an original plug that's been tapped into or an add on. It has what looks like an added brown wire that loops from one side of the plug to the other. Once I get into it I will try and trace everything.

If I dont find a schematic for the controls I guess I will have to bell out all of the wires and try to sketch it out myself. Here is that plug on the left rear that I mentioned.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Its certain that the controls in the cab must have an issue. The lashed up box has 3 wires, one to each solenoid and one to a plug on the rear left mudguard which I am guessing is just to provide power for the solenoids

If I could find an electrical schematic I would like to see if I can find any obvious issues first. I am guessing that @Combine Rescue provides diagnostic services although I am hoping they are not in NI as that would be a bit far to come should I need them.



Thanks, I had assumed that that switch lifted it up although at the moment its just there for decoration. No lights so no code I am afraid. I can see one of the original solenoid wires but cant see the second although I have not had too close a look as I have been busy with other jobs this weekend, I am sure its there somewhere.

There is a plug that's attached to the left mudguard which one of the three wires from the "new" controls goes to. I am not sure if that's an original plug that's been tapped into or an add on. It has what looks like an added brown wire that loops from one side of the plug to the other. Once I get into it I will try and trace everything.

If I dont find a schematic for the controls I guess I will have to bell out all of the wires and try to sketch it out myself. Here is that plug on the left rear that I mentioned.

That looks like a power plug. If you look pn opposite side just under the cab you should see a large connector for the main harness from rear axle to cab. As daft as it sounds it would be a good idea to go through fuses aswell as connectors underneath that switch panel

 

[George Kaplan]

That looks like a power plug. If you look pn opposite side just under the cab you should see a large connector for the main harness from rear axle to cab. As daft as it sounds it would be a good idea to go through fuses aswell as connectors underneath that switch panel

Hi Mur Huwcun, just after I last posted I went back and had a longer look at everything (I was supposed to be moving the plumbing for a washing machine as dictated by a higher authority)

I saw the main cab plug. Its a Mil Spec connector similar to the cab connector on my telehandler. It looks easy to get to.

When looking for the other solonoid wire I saw two wires that looked like they had been repaired and also looked like the bare terminals were touching each other and shorting (they were closer together when I found them). The wire seems to go to what I would guess is a sensor on the pivot for the right hand rear link. I guess a speed or position sensor or maybe both. IF, those wires have been shorting then I am hoping its blown a fuse rather than fried a circuit board. Would I be right in thinking that the sensor is simply a potentiometer? If so it would be simple to test if it were OK.

I certainly will look at the fuses, I did look at the box yesterday as I couldnt get the wipers to work but I only looked at the wiper fuse. BTW the wipers started working again after I removed and then plugged back in the wiper relay.

I have an initial plan. I will clean off all the crud on the back end and then go through all the electrical connectors and clean them and check that they are OK back to the cab connector.

I will have to work out how to check all the various sensors are working OK.

Then when I am happy that the wires and sensors are OK I will work back from the cab connector to the control panel.

If its the control panel I will do a visual inspection first. Sometimes damage on circuit boards cab be seen in burnt out components or traces. If no visual clues I will look for an electronics specialist before dropping £1,500 on a new one.

Thanks.

 

[organic antares]

I think you can get workshop manuals etc from Same website or via a dealer

 

[George Kaplan]

Thinking about those bare wires there is one that isnt connected to anything. If the sensor is a potentiometer then it would have three wires. So something is wrong there.

A wiring diargram would sure help. I will speak to SLH tomorrow.

 

[ridger]

Its certain that the controls in the cab must have an issue. The lashed up box has 3 wires, one to each solenoid and one to a plug on the rear left mudguard which I am guessing is just to provide power for the solenoids

If I could find an electrical schematic I would like to see if I can find any obvious issues first. I am guessing that @Combine Rescue provides diagnostic services although I am hoping they are not in NI as that would be a bit far to come should I need them.



Thanks, I had assumed that that switch lifted it up although at the moment its just there for decoration. No lights so no code I am afraid. I can see one of the original solenoid wires but cant see the second although I have not had too close a look as I have been busy with other jobs this weekend, I am sure its there somewhere.

There is a plug that's attached to the left mudguard which one of the three wires from the "new" controls goes to. I am not sure if that's an original plug that's been tapped into or an add on. It has what looks like an added brown wire that loops from one side of the plug to the other. Once I get into it I will try and trace everything.

If I dont find a schematic for the controls I guess I will have to bell out all of the wires and try to sketch it out myself. Here is that plug on the left rear that I mentioned.

@Combine Rescue is in England, I just can't think where at the minute

 

[ridger]

@Combine Rescue is in England, I just can't think where at the minute

I'm nearly sure it's Northampton direction actually

 

[DrWazzock]

I have a workshop manual.
Electrical system goes across 11 pages of A4 and 4 A3 schematics. I’ll see if I can scan and zip. Not easy to get the sheets flat as it’s stapled and bound thickness of a telephone directory, originally bought from Poland on eBay.