Leaving the EU and red tape assurance schemes

[warksfarmer]

So we are leaving the EU, Brexit is finally happening. We have laws/rules in place from the EU that we will keep and no doubt food security and competence training will be one of the many hundreds if not thousands of rules which stay in place.

So is now the time for the 115,000 subsidy claimers to just say no. Can we organise this? Would the 41,777 members of this forum gift £10 each to an account used for promotion of british agriculture in the national press and online?

Can this forum write to Red tractor / Government etc on behalf of all farming members that we will no longer be participating in any of their schemes such as Red Tractor, Noroso etc etc.

Can all NFU/CLA members threaten their annual memberships and instruct the NFU/CLA to inform the government that all members refuse to enter these schemes for the forth coming year.

Just ideas - discuss.

 

[Still Farming]

At Last Britain leaves the eu.

 

[Highland Mule]

So we are leaving the EU, Brexit is finally happening. We have laws/rules in place from the EU that we will keep and no doubt food security and competence training will be one of the many hundreds if not thousands of rules which stay in place.

So is now the time for the 115,000 subsidy claimers to just say no. Can we organise this? Would the 41,777 members of this forum gift £10 each to an account used for promotion of british agriculture in the national press and online?

Can this forum write to Red tractor / Government etc on behalf of all farming members that we will no longer be participating in any of their schemes such as Red Tractor, Noroso etc etc.

Can all NFU/CLA members threaten their annual memberships and instruct the NFU/CLA to inform the government that all members refuse to enter these schemes for the forth coming year.

Just ideas - discuss.

1. We have very few “laws and rules” in place that are from the EU, and none that I am aware directly affect my way of farming.

2. You’re suggesting lowering of legislative standards below current - which specific laws do you feel should be repealed?

3. If you want to quit RT, just grow a pair and do it.

 

[Muck Spreader]

So we are leaving the EU, Brexit is finally happening. We have laws/rules in place from the EU that we will keep and no doubt food security and competence training will be one of the many hundreds if not thousands of rules which stay in place.

So is now the time for the 115,000 subsidy claimers to just say no. Can we organise this? Would the 41,777 members of this forum gift £10 each to an account used for promotion of british agriculture in the national press and online?

Can this forum write to Red tractor / Government etc on behalf of all farming members that we will no longer be participating in any of their schemes such as Red Tractor, Noroso etc etc.

Can all NFU/CLA members threaten their annual memberships and instruct the NFU/CLA to inform the government that all members refuse to enter these schemes for the forth coming year.

Just ideas - discuss.

Am I correct in assuming you are proposing that the UK scraps all it's food hygiene and welfare regulations. Then tries to market UK agricultural produce to the public on the back of this. Your not actually Sonny Perdue are you?

 

[traineefarmer]

1. We have very few “laws and rules” in place that are from the EU, and none that I am aware directly affect my way of farming.

Well, aside from the Common Agricultural Policy....

 

[Highland Mule]

Well, aside from the Common Agricultural Policy....

That’s not a law or rule though - I chose to take them payments. And it hasn’t changed my way of farming one bit. Oh, and most of the “rules” on the CAP are set by the local country.

But apart from that...

Go on, which specifics would you suggest?

 

[milkloss]

I think we should make some voluntary decisions that give us a lot of leverage when it comes to imports of commodities and goods on our smarket shelves. Glyphosate, eid in cattle and online med records etc.

 

[Goweresque]

We have very few “laws and rules” in place that are from the EU, and none that I am aware directly affect my way of farming.

All environmental law originates (or originated ) in the EU. Nitrate vulnerable zones for example were introduced in order to meet EU specifications for nitrates in rivers.

 

[farmerm]

Another fool who believes leaving the EU will reduced the regulatory burden on farmers Given Whitehall’s history of gold plating EU rules and regs... what in God’s name gives anyone the idea that a UK gov would be interested in taking regulations back to the 1960’s. There are words I could use here to describe such fools.. but I don’t want a forum ban

 

[Highland Mule]

All environmental law originates (or originated ) in the EU. Nitrate vulnerable zones for example were introduced in order to meet EU specifications for nitrates in rivers.

I’ll take your word that the EU introduced the nitrate targets, but I suspect that it was the UK that decided how that target would be met. I’m not in an NVZ, but I wonder where that decision was made - I’d bet a pound it wasn’t in Brussels.

The EU rarely is specific in what is appropriate, they give a very loose framework for the individual member states to work within - hence there are different rules in different countries.

 

[SteveHants]

You do realise that assurance schemes are dictated by the supply chain and not the government, don't you?

This is why red tractor for most livestock is no different to the legal requirements.

I learned recently that big buyers such as Tesco dictate their welfare requirements to their suppliers everywhere, including places like Thailand etc....

 

[ford4000]

1. We have very few “laws and rules” in place that are from the EU, and none that I am aware directly affect my way of farming.

2. You’re suggesting lowering of legislative standards below current - which specific laws do you feel should be repealed?

3. If you want to quit RT, just grow a pair and do it.

Are sheep double tagging and EID tags European rules?

 

[Tamar]

You do realise that assurance schemes are dictated by the supply chain and not the government, don't you?

Who then only buy on price........... even though they know that the ingredients have to be compromised to make the goods so cheap !!

eg 4 x 4 onz beef burgers for a £............... making beef £2-20 kg. No wonder unassured horse and sawdust is added !!

 

[Highland Mule]

Are sheep double tagging and EID tags European rules?

I’ve no idea, but I bet the UK has gold plated the rules if it was.

What’s the rule in Germany/ Greece/ France or Portugal?

 

[Giles1]

I would give a tenner, to ensure there is only one body dealing with food standards . One that is one totally divorced from supermarket influence, political influence and producer influence and its only remit is to consumer safety and all that that implies, (welfare,pollution, contamination and such like).

 

[SteveHants]

Are sheep double tagging and EID tags European rules?

It's a moot point really. Since the supermarkets have decided that the customer want traceability, they will ensure that tagging is "voluntarily" forced on the sector anyway (unless people find other ways to market their produce).

 

[deleted user 837354]

Look, I (and I suspect most other people), have no issue with a supermarket wanting it's suppliers to meet an enhanced set of standards. The dairy boys have to do it- you want the magic coins from Mr Sainsbury's or Waitrose, you have to jump through the hoops. That's your decision, win, lose or draw. I've no issue with that.

But, a mandatory, quango-enforced scheme that means jack to consumers and makes liars of everyone and basically duplicates the work of the EA, Food Standards Agency, Natural England/RPA and Trading Standards? What the fudge on Earth is the point? Just do away with the damned red tractor BS. It means nothing to anyone. If Cargills or the flour mill want you to meet their scheme to supply them grain- go for it. If Ryvita want you to meet another scheme for their suppliers, again, on your head be it. But a mandatory blanket scheme which neither retailer nor consumer trust or know about? Nah. Fudge that.

 

[andybk]

I strongly suspect most rules have supermarket origins, they want to sell a high proportion high welfare good provinace foods to get people through the door , once there they can flog them all the cheap stuff passed off as uk (flag , even though its only packed or cut in uk )
You see all the farm assured and non assured going together on the same lorry at mart , as long as they have a red tractor number on a proportion thats ok
They certainly have been at the forefront of closing down the smaller abattoirs through regulation , knowing they have financial clout to comply.
and as previous posts, just bin off assurance schemes never made much difference here certainly not enough to cover hassle of being a member ..

 

[steveR]

So we are leaving the EU, Brexit is finally happening. We have laws/rules in place from the EU that we will keep and no doubt food security and competence training will be one of the many hundreds if not thousands of rules which stay in place.

So is now the time for the 115,000 subsidy claimers to just say no. Can we organise this? Would the 41,777 members of this forum gift £10 each to an account used for promotion of british agriculture in the national press and online?

Can this forum write to Red tractor / Government etc on behalf of all farming members that we will no longer be participating in any of their schemes such as Red Tractor, Noroso etc etc.

Can all NFU/CLA members threaten their annual memberships and instruct the NFU/CLA to inform the government that all members refuse to enter these schemes for the forth coming year.

Just ideas - discuss.

It didn't need Brexit for your proposals to have come forward....

And as I recall, the UK has passed legislation enshrining pretty well all EU law into UK law?

 

[czechmate]

All environmental law originates (or originated ) in the EU. Nitrate vulnerable zones for example were introduced in order to meet EU specifications for nitrates in rivers.

Is nitrate in rivers a good thing?