MF 165

[worker]

Hi, would a MF 575 236 engine fit into a MF165 (blown 212 engine)? eg fuel tank etc without modification please.

 

[agrimax]

Should be a straight fit. The 212 crankshaft and pistons are different and no balancer fitted. Externally,everything should be the same.

 

[MontyK]

Are you swapping internals? or complete engine ? as 236 engine has exhaust on other side.

 

[agrimax]

No it doesn't! The exhaust is on the rhs on the 4.212,4.236,4.248 and 6354.The 4.203 is on the lhs.

 

[bill and bens dad]

Should be a straight fit. The 212 crankshaft and pistons are different and no balancer fitted. Externally,everything should be the same.

yes should fit ok,its only the internals that are different,as already posted above,should give a little more horsepower,there is an engine for sale on 100 series masseys owners and fans page

 

[MontyK]

No it doesn't! The exhaust is on the rhs on the 4.212,4.236,4.248 and 6354.The 4.203 is on the lhs.

Getting my 203 and 212 mixed up.

 

[Cowabunga]

The 236 is far more common than the 212 and also, depending on age and previous application, probably much much smoother running, due to most having sump mounted balancer shafts fitted. Not all have this though. Combine ones did and ran at 2600 rpm and tractors from probably around 1982 also had balancers. Balancers are not perfect, in that they can break their supporting cast bearing carriers. If it works, it works though. Lovely engine of its time. It has a longer stroke and better torque than the 212 and the only difference between it and the 248 is the liner thickness and fuelling. I'm pretty sure you could convert a 236 to a 248 just by changing to the appropriate liners, although I have no experience of this being done.

 

[startinghandle]

If the 165 with blown engine was mine
I would be pricing up cost of parts and machining to fix original engine then I would know it. would be good .... bit of an unknown quantity fitting s/h engine

 

[worker]

yes should fit ok,its only the internals that are different,as already posted above,should give a little more horsepower,there is an engine for sale on 100 series masseys owners and fans page

thanks for your help, I don't suppose you have a link for this,

 

[multi power]

If the 165 with blown engine was mine
I would be pricing up cost of parts and machining to fix original engine then I would know it. would be good .... bit of an unknown quantity fitting s/h engine

A working 212 engine is pretty poor so changing to a 236 would be a great job

 

[multi power]

thanks for your help, I don't suppose you have a link for this,

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[bill and bens dad]

well done Multi power ,you beat me to it !! i pm the vendor but its sold ,ps Hope your well cheers tim

 

[startinghandle]

A working 212 engine is pretty poor so changing to a 236 would be a great job

Which engine was in the IH 475 tractor?
That was a good tractor

 

[multi power]

Which engine was in the IH 475 tractor?
That was a good tractor

212 I think, probably the worst Perkins engine
Too square

 

[bill and bens dad]

perkins 212,some went well our neighbours smoked all the time !! he changed it for a 884,,that boiled on hard work,they are now jd, i have a 165 and a 50b digger ,same engine,the digger starts easy mostly without heat, the 165 has to be heated most times, luck of the draw ??
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[Cowabunga]

perkins 212,some went well our neighbours smoked all the time !! he changed it for a 884,,that boiled on hard work,they are now jd, i have a 165 and a 50b digger ,same engine,the digger starts easy mostly without heat, the 165 has to be heated most times, luck of the draw ??
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The 236 and 248 can also smoke a lot in terms of white smoke, mainly on the over-run. It is down to the DPA injector pump settings. The pump could also cause it to be slow to start but valve wear may be another issue on higher hour or older engines.
Must say I quite liked the 212 in my 165 and it always pulled tolerably well and was never any bother. The 236 fitted to my Ursus, which took over the 165's work was a far better engine though. This one did white smoke a bit down hills though, as if unburnt fuel was puffing out of the exhaust. It smelt like it too.

 

[startinghandle]

Hi, would a MF 575 236 engine fit into a MF165 (blown 212 engine)? eg fuel tank etc without modification please.

In what way has engine blown?

 

[Two Tone]

The 236 and 248 can also smoke a lot in terms of white smoke, mainly on the over-run. It is down to the DPA injector pump settings. The pump could also cause it to be slow to start but valve wear may be another issue on higher hour or older engines.
Must say I quite liked the 212 in my 165 and it always pulled tolerably well and was never any bother. The 236 fitted to my Ursus, which took over the 165's work was a far better engine though. This one did white smoke a bit down hills though, as if unburnt fuel was puffing out of the exhaust. It smelt like it too.

My father had a 1969 G reg 165 new and I’m sure the exhaust was on the lhs and I thought it said 4.212 on the air intake manifold (But might be wrong). Could it have been a 4.203 if the exhaust was on the left?

Nearly all the 4.236’s I’ve ever had (175, 675, Manitou MB25P) were a bugger to start when it was cold. Yet that 165 and a 690 with the 4.248 were alway good starters, no matter how cold it got!

 

[MontyK]

My 1969, 165 is a good starter, after 6 months bit of heat and away it goes, smoke clears when it gets warm.

 

[colhonk]

My G reg 165 with 212 engine starts straight away whatever the weather. Sits for days at harvest driving the drier, don`t have to put engine oil in it between changes but, It does have some white smoke out of the exhaust basically all the time. A trace of black smoke if I pull the throttle back but no blue smoke. Had the pump and injectors done years ago and new valve guides and rubber seals but made no difference. The 1200 that I had also put white smoke out all the time, sounds as though it was a bit of a trait with them then.