My new drill #pimpmydrill part 2 !

[Wheatonrotty]

Makes my 6k one without fert I bought in the spring look expensive. It was only down the road though.
Be interested to see what you do Coulter wise. I think narrow is the only way to get really low disturbance, as for row width still toying with the idea of extending mine to add an extra row to tighten spacing without reducing clearance. Might just put some narrow coulters on this spring and double drill some to see if there is any difference.

 

[Clive]

Makes my 6k one without fert I bought in the spring look expensive. It was only down the road though.
Be interested to see what you do Coulter wise. I think narrow is the only way to get really low disturbance, as for row width still toying with the idea of extending mine to add an extra row to tighten spacing without reducing clearance. Might just put some narrow coulters on this spring and double drill some to see if there is any difference.

what coulter are you running on it so far ? are you using it in zero till or mintill ?

wouldn't be hard to cut the frame and add an extra beam for additional row - I think that would be needed if you were to run closer than 10"

if your want some narrow coulters after seeing my prototype when done let me know, they will be much cheaper if I can get a bigger qty cut etc

 

[Wheatonrotty]

what coulter are you running on it so far ? are you using it in zero till or mintill ?

wouldn't be hard to cut the frame and add an extra beam for additional row - I think that would be needed if you were to run closer than 10"

if your want some narrow coulters after seeing my prototype when done let me know, they will be much cheaper if I can get a bigger qty cut etc

Still on duets at the moment but have been looking at swapping them. Currently doing some ploughing, some min till and some direct. I like the fact that while it rarely does a perfect job it will do a good job in a wide range of situations. Not sure I'm ready for complete notill yet but probably heading that way.

 

[PSQ]

The plastic shims on the older CO wore fast and then you got allot of side play. Get ya self a copy of the profi magazine on the CO all the upgrades are all in there.
The new type are hassle free saves you keep tightening them up.

Thanks for that . Just looked and found it: https://www.profi.com/archiv/archiv_beitrag_48354.html?bezahlung=1
Costs £2, and it compares the CO with the later ST. Doesn't cover factory liquid fert kit or GPS. Or solid fert version for that matter.

 

[PSQ]

my point will be more like the bean coulter hopefully 10-12mm wide point only so rows will be spaced at tine spacing

http://www.jjmetcalfeandson.com/product-showcase/horsch/
http://www.jjmetcalfeandson.com/product-detail/horsch-duet-conversion-coulter/
- Watch the video, looks to be very low disturbance. They also have a GPS receiver on the drill which leads to the possibility of inter row planting between last years rows @T C

 

[Clive]

http://www.jjmetcalfeandson.com/product-showcase/horsch/
http://www.jjmetcalfeandson.com/product-detail/horsch-duet-conversion-coulter/
- Watch the video, looks to be very low disturbance. They also have a GPS receiver on the drill which leads to the possibility of inter row planting between last years rows @T C

yes they look pretty good and are close to what I'm thinking, mine will be cheaper and better i hope though !

 

[Andrew K]

We used to sow quite a few crops with the Horsch solo coulter back in the early 2000,s, grass seed ,rape, beans etc worked well provided you have a level seedbed. Duetts are far too high a disturbance really, and smear like barstewards in the wet.
Only prob is row width if sowing late into blackgrass prone soils, not enough crop competition IMO.

 

[Steevo]

the openers on this drill will be in the bin soon, nothing wrong with Dale opener, mine will be similar (but cheaper and double shoot seed / fert)

Is all the metal worn out?

 

[Clive]

Is all the metal worn out?

don't know, looks reasonable in the pics but is of no use to me so is coming off

If they have life left in them I guess I could flog them in classified section on here to someone who mintills

 

[Clive]

That ferobide tungsten looked good at the midland machinery show, I got a sample to try on one of my tine Seder points to cut down on the wear and disturbance they create in the spring. Some of that as hard facing could help if it fits in with your design.

First bits turned up today - very quick service from @Ferobide Man !

I'm aiming for 12mm wide coulters and these Ferobide tiles will be the tips. It's apparently much harder wearing than tungsten and doesn't need specialist kit to weld it on. more detail here at www.ferobide.com

Our soils are extremely abrasive on tine machines due to the sand and gravel content (we used to wear out simba solo pints in 10ac when dry !) so it will be a good test of this material, its also seems well priced

will keep you all updated on if its all its claimed to be !!

 

[Steevo]

Wow! Had tungsten tips here on Horsch points and they have worn really well indeed so will be interesting to see how those perform.

It's one thing I really think was thought through on our Horsch - the tungsten tips and coulter metal wear at different rates, but due to their different positioning (i.e. tungsten on front, steel on sides) the two are well matched and neither would outlast the other and be wasted.

 

[ajd132]

I've drilled some wheat at 30cm rows with the 1inch Dutch points this year. Will be interesting to see what happens. this was into a CC and very little BG present

 

[York]

I like this thread rely. As it shows me how minded we are, at least when it comes to "iron". it's rely interesting to observe how the responses are when it comes to "pimping" iron / a drill to compare when it comes to other topics. like nutrients, soil life etc..
Don't get me wrong, I have no obligations to the decision to get a tine drill, it's just interesting to observe where, to me as a outsider & bystander, townie, the obvious preferences are.
Look, expressed other way: (taken from a by stander, maybe input from someone now in the "intermediate state":
"Well, if tine gives better establishment then its right decision and its far easier solution to measure
But wont fix your real problem.
Any time more tillage/disturbance giving better results showing your soils real condition.
Usually people asking wrong questions when no till is failing. There is always better parts and bad ones In field scale.
Nobody is asking why some parts of field with heavy residue has nice crop"
Are you basing your decisions on the best or worst part of the field? My "intermediate state" voices whispers into my ears, observing from above: "All making decision by worst parts of field!"
(meant: thumbs up)
York-Th.

 

[Clive]

I like this thread rely. As it shows me how minded we are, at least when it comes to "iron". it's rely interesting to observe how the responses are when it comes to "pimping" iron / a drill to compare when it comes to other topics. like nutrients, soil life etc..
Don't get me wrong, I have no obligations to the decision to get a tine drill, it's just interesting to observe where, to me as a outsider & bystander, townie, the obvious preferences are.
Look, expressed other way: (taken from a by stander, maybe input from someone now in the "intermediate state":
"Well, if tine gives better establishment then its right decision and its far easier solution to measure
But wont fix your real problem.
Any time more tillage/disturbance giving better results showing your soils real condition.
Usually people asking wrong questions when no till is failing. There is always better parts and bad ones In field scale.
Nobody is asking why some parts of field with heavy residue has nice crop"
Are you basing your decisions on the best or worst part of the field? My "intermediate state" voices whispers into my ears, observing from above: "All making decision by worst parts of field!"
(meant: thumbs up)
York-Th.

the 750a isn't failing York - anything but and I'm very happy with that

for £5000 how else could I double my capacity if needed ? main reason for this drill is its cheap, the fact it's tines vs discs is basically because I can't see any advantage in having 2 drills the same surely its best to have all options available as long as its affordable ?

that said I do think agronomically it will be better for OSR into chopped straw than a 750a unless I fit expensive row cleaners to the 750a

 

[SilliamWhale]

the 750a isn't failing York - anything but and I'm very happy with that

for £5000 how else could I double my capacity if needed ? main reason for this drill is its cheap, the fact it's tines vs discs is basically because I can see any advantage in having 2 drills the same surely its best to have all options available as long as its affordable ?

that said I do think agronomically it will be better for OSR into chopped straw than a 750a unless I get expensive row cleaners to the 750a

I often say about 10-20% of the time I feel a tine drill would do better than a disc ( theres no way of guaranteeing its the right or wrong thing because hindsight can be dfferent).

So I'd say youve made a good decision there Clive.

 

[damaged]

Not sure how easy it would be to change Coulter spacing - similar problem on sprinters. Just sends costs too high . I think the suggestions of cross drilling when / if required would pay on a wide drill.

 

[Badshot]

Not sure how easy it would be to change Coulter spacing - similar problem on sprinters. Just sends costs too high . I think the suggestions of cross drilling when / if required would pay on a wide drill.

Couldn't quite get it perfect on mu KV due to frame issues, but by harvest it's irrelevant.

 

[damaged]

Frame fold is hardest points to sort.

 

[Clive]

Not sure how easy it would be to change Coulter spacing - similar problem on sprinters. Just sends costs too high . I think the suggestions of cross drilling when / if required would pay on a wide drill.

Frame fold is hardest points to sort.

surely the easy solution whilst maintaining good trash flow would be to cut the frame and add in another beam for an additional row ?

I'm going to experiment with 10" first though - i reckon its probably fine for wheat and ideal for OSR

im not planning buggering about cross drilling or RTK'ing between rows - one pass to establish a crop is quite enough !

 

[Clive]

Couldn't quite get it perfect on mu KV due to frame issues, but by harvest it's irrelevant.

what row spacing is your KV on then ?