Planning advice from the agricultural community

If I simplify it...

What stops me replacing a battered gate with a new (bigger) one?
What stops me replacing a derilict barn with a newer one?
What stops me putting down hardcore on the grass inside the new gate to provide parking base?

I am not building or replacing anything that is not already there...I am making it look better and improving it.
 

PhilipB

Member
If I simplify it...

What stops me replacing a battered gate with a new (bigger) one?
What stops me replacing a derilict barn with a newer one?
What stops me putting down hardcore on the grass inside the new gate to provide parking base?

I am not building or replacing anything that is not already there...I am making it look better and improving it.


Other people will know better, but all of these things are "development" that changes the character of the field and turn it from agricultural to something else.

Basically if you were a farmer you could probably do all those things, but you're not a farmer, so you can't.
 

Bongodog

Member
If I simplify it...

What stops me replacing a battered gate with a new (bigger) one?
What stops me replacing a derilict barn with a newer one?
What stops me putting down hardcore on the grass inside the new gate to provide parking base?

I am not building or replacing anything that is not already there...I am making it look better and improving it.
You may think you are improving things, the National Park Authority and the residents of Kettlewell will see it very differently.

This is slap bahng in the middle of a tourist area, the local shops and pubs depend on visitors who like to see green fields, stone walls and sheep. Even and old rusty tin shed for variety

What stops you is planning law, the only thing you have suggested so far that you can legally do is walk into the field and pitch a tent for occasional family use.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
If I simplify it...

What stops me replacing a battered gate with a new (bigger) one?
What stops me replacing a derilict barn with a newer one?
What stops me putting down hardcore on the grass inside the new gate to provide parking base?

I am not building or replacing anything that is not already there...I am making it look better and improving it.

Ah, so firstly there is a *big* difference between repairing and replacing.

1) gate is easiest. Replacing gate no problem. Adding new gate is problem. Widening gatehole is somewhere in between.

2) repairing barn is easiest. Replacing barn with something different trickiest. Replacing barn with something on the same footprint of the same height somewhere in between.

3) this is on the tricky list.

What stops you is a combination of planning law and zealous members of the public. You have a public RoW so any changes can easily be seen. We live in a country where free enjoyment of your own property is curtailed by a variety of "nosey doo gooders" and sadly the general public in the UK absolutely hate the idea of anything changing, especially in any of the "chocolate box" national parks or areas of natural beauty.

Ive a tumbling down shed. If I repair the roof that's fine. If I repair the walls that's fine. If I take it down, fix it and put it back up then that requires planning.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
No idea sorry (I guess its something I should know but nothing mentioned on the listing but I will check the rights)

Yes, if you check where your boundary is on the river too. If you own the banks or part of the river bed etc. Because if you don't own the fishing, expect local anglers walking the footpath and pitching up for a days leisure.
 

GeorgeK

Member
Location
Leicestershire
A lot comes down to whether anyone will notice, carefully making small changes that individually won't attract attention over the course of several years might get some things done.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Ah, so firstly there is a *big* difference between repairing and replacing.

1) gate is easiest. Replacing gate no problem. Adding new gate is problem. Widening gatehole is somewhere in between.

2) repairing barn is easiest. Replacing barn with something different trickiest. Replacing barn with something on the same footprint of the same height somewhere in between.

3) this is on the tricky list.

What stops you is a combination of planning law and zealous members of the public. You have a public RoW so any changes can easily be seen. We live in a country where free enjoyment of your own property is curtailed by a variety of "nosey doo gooders" and sadly the general public in the UK absolutely hate the idea of anything changing, especially in any of the "chocolate box" national parks or areas of natural beauty.

Ive a tumbling down shed. If I repair the roof that's fine. If I repair the walls that's fine. If I take it down, fix it and put it back up then that requires planning.
I was at a careers convention years ago, and chatting to a member of the planning department, and I asked him how they got to know about people contravening planning permission or doing things they don't have permission for and he said always reported to us by members of the public!
 

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