Ploughing today

[Roy Stokes]

A top ploughman once told me that good ploughing bent is better than bad ploughing straight.

Wrong way round, bad straight ploughing looks better than good bent ploughing!

Both correct, bent ploughing but level and well turned with a reversible is much easier to drill than poorly turned high and low pig troughs, how ever straight always looks best

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Roy .next year want to make it a 2 day event. 1st day a training day / practice day for the novices and a number of youngsters have asked Emma if possible ..the likes of yourself and any other ploughmen who would be happy to help the youngsters and then have a match then discuss the scores to help them get better . Because when you look at it there is a lot of oldies

if your short of novice numbers, I would be more that will to make the numbers up, if Roy is doing the training

 

[Will 1594]

if your short of novice numbers, I would be more that will to make the numbers up, if Roy is doing the training

9 have asked if can have training / practice day all under 20 so a good day for the younger up and coming ploughers

 

[Mydexta]

9 have asked if can have training / practice day all under 20 so a good day for the younger up and coming ploughers

It's been a long long time since @Pennine Ploughing was under 20!!

 

[massey765]

@Pennine Ploughing will have done it nearly three times

Know what you mean John I could do with a bit of propper tuition

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

@Will 1594 any young ladies ?

@Mydexta your close, but no banana,
@massey765, are you wanting some help to find that half furrow

 

[arcobob]

Roy .next year want to make it a 2 day event. 1st day a training day / practice day for the novices and a number of youngsters have asked Emma if possible ..the likes of yourself and any other ploughmen who would be happy to help the youngsters and then have a match then discuss the scores to help them get better . Because when you look at it there is a lot of oldies

I am sure you will get plenty of help in this respect but it is no use people turning up with too many pre-conceived notions, unsuitable and rusty ploughs and bad attitudes. We suffered this in the Norfolk ploughing society and those of us who gave of our valuable time and effort got rebuffed because we were told that we were too critical and didn`t freely part with knowledge of some of the more advanced techniques. My daughter is a dressage trainer and she would not take kindly to someone turning up with a lame horse for a lesson.
Provided someone has made an effort and is clearly willing to learn, giving encouragement and help is a pleasant experience.

 

[Howard150]

A top ploughman once told me that good ploughing bent is better than bad ploughing straight.

This statement is always misconstrued / misrepresented.
Bad ploughing is bad ploughing full stop. Bad ploughing which is straight, whilst being worth a point or two more is still bad ploughing full stop, inasmuch as you can't take the stink out of pigs hit no matter how you try and disguise it.

Good ploughing which is bent is not good ploughing - goodish at best but not good. Good ploughing ticks all the right boxes, straight, well matched, even, uniform and parallel, anything other is 'goodish'

Harry has it right. The correct statement is 'bad ploughing LOOKS better straight'

 

[Roy Stokes]

if your short of novice numbers, I would be more that will to make the numbers up, if Roy is doing the training

Not quite sure I am qualified enough to tutor at your level John

@Pennine Ploughing will have done it nearly three times

Know what you mean John I could do with a bit of propper tuition

All you want is my knowledge without having to pay my fees Ben, however you are originally a Yorkshire man and we know you like to be thrifty !

@Will 1594 any young ladies ?

@Mydexta your close, but no banana,
@massey765, are you wanting some help to find that half furrow

, I had forgotten about the missing half furrow

I am sure you will get plenty of help in this respect but it is no use people turning up with too many pre-conceived notions, unsuitable and rusty ploughs and bad attitudes. We suffered this in the Norfolk ploughing society and those of us who gave of our valuable time and effort got rebuffed because we were told that we were too critical and didn`t freely part with knowledge of some of the more advanced techniques. My daughter is a dressage trainer and she would not take kindly to someone turning up with a lame horse for a lesson.
Provided someone has made an effort and is clearly willing to learn, giving encouragement and help is a pleasant experience.

I give advice to my paying customers before they turn up here for tuition, this way we don't have to spend a day freeing off ploughs, polishing mould boards etc, it is of no use giving out too much technical information to beginners, when putting the start in I encourage them not to chip in as it seems to make things to complicated, however I do explain to them why we top ploughmen chip in and why it is more important that they get a feel for the plough, to understand the requirements of ploughing a plot, to practice driving straight and making neat entry and exit to and from work.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Not quite sure I am qualified enough to tutor at your level John

I would be happy to make the numbers though, as
everyday is a school day Roy,
my trouble is remembering it,

and your very right about giving them good basic training, as there is only so much anyone can take in at a time,

you would not start a new employee, and teach them how to run the business in the first week,
although a few think they know it all already, applies to employees and plough men

 

[Will 1594]

@Will 1594 any young ladies ?

@Mydexta your close, but no banana,
@massey765, are you wanting some help to find that half furrow

Yes 3 young ladies

 

[Roy Stokes]

A lot of very vauge assimptions being made based on a single photo of a plough with an incorect cross setting trying to plough in 2 furrows of disturbed soil and 2 of solid ground. I know for a fact it layed it level and matched up once i got out of the opening. Anything else besides that is irrellevant.

Are you sure John, the plough is crabbing so badly I do wonder and more experienced ploughmen than yourself seem to be able to see it ?
According to some spectators you would have been better of with a superflow

 

[ploughman61]

Points for straightness?

How the hell you can get such a bend in a plot that short is beyond me!!!

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Think their is a link problem here, between the seat and the steering wheel.

 

[John 1594]

Are you sure John, the plough is crabbing so badly I do wonder and more experienced ploughmen than yourself seem to be able to see it ?
According to some spectators you would have been better of with a superflow

Thats encouraging to know, given you obviously know what angle the cross shaft is at

i was beginning to warm to your advice, however given that last remark, its clear you no longer have anything of value to add to the discussion, so i will refrain from reading anymore in to it.

How much would it have taken for someone to walk over and say "just slide that cross shaft over a bit"

a point to remember with this entire forum, is that the advice given is worth what you paid for it

and on that note...

 

[John 1594]

What kind of golf club is a superflow?

One what would be liable to get wrapped round something.

Another pointless remark that adds no value to the question being asked....see above comment about advice being worth what you pay for it.

 

[Howard150]

Are you sure John, the plough is crabbing so badly I do wonder and more experienced ploughmen than yourself seem to be able to see it ?
According to some spectators you would have been better of with a superflow

What kind of golf club is a superflow? Is it a driver?
Talking about driver......

Think their is a link problem here, between the seat and the steering wheel.

Some on here at one time or another have called it 'the C nut on the seat'. Could be something to do with hand/eye co- ordination, in which case golf is not really a good option. Maybe working with something a little less complicated which takes less understanding, something with less moving parts.....possibly an anvil.

 

[Will 1594]

It's been a long long time since @Pennine Ploughing was under 20!!

What is he 51 now Eh lad

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

After having a look at the picture on pc, and blowing it up to see better, (eyes not as good as years ago)
if you take a look at the blue dots across the back of the boards they line up, but the red dot on 3rd furrow is low,
i would say the frog has moved up at the front on the leg,
2 reasons, 1st the back of the board is down, 2nd that furrow is light, I know you said you were ploughing 2 front furrows back in, but the way i see it, there is no way that crown was level,
you also said you did not like the way the point is pinned on to the frog, and you drilled and bolted them,
the point is meant to fit well onto the frog, by this it needs to be a good fit on all 3 sides, on the top, down the side, and the 2 lips on the underside, this all intern stops the tip of the point waving about as it likes, and also John in an earlier post you did use the term "within a few millimeters", i am sorry to say but if it is not spot on, then it will not be right,

also the rough furrow (white arrow) wall left by not having a disc on, will not steady the plough as it should,
there is a lot more to the rear landslide that meets the untrained eye,
and if the point can swivel at all side to side, then it will go to the left looking from behind, this will mean it can and more than likely take a bigger bite, and then the landslide will have nothing to run on, thus it will mean it will tail whip to land till its got something to rest on,

it you look at the drop arms (colored dots yellow and green) the yellow dot are more vertical as the link arm is nearer to center of tractor, where the green dots are lying over, and the link arm is nearer the tyre than to center,
i asked about the front wheels, and you said they are inline on inside of rear tyre, so that rules that out,
your lower link arm on the left may be a little longer, again you said beet drill was ok,

so its down to 2 things, either the rear body is not running right, (the rear landslide must run to ploughed land at the front, and to unploughed land at the rear, NOT the case of the rear landslide should run parallel to the beam, as you will never control the plough if it is like that,
or when you did the full nut and bolt rebuild, the plates for holding the cross shaft are the wrong way round, mean the cross shaft is not running square

 

[Ley253]

This statement is always misconstrued / misrepresented.
Bad ploughing is bad ploughing full stop. Bad ploughing which is straight, whilst being worth a point or two more is still bad ploughing full stop, inasmuch as you can't take the stink out of pigs hit no matter how you try and disguise it.

Good ploughing which is bent is not good ploughing - goodish at best but not good. Good ploughing ticks all the right boxes, straight, well matched, even, uniform and parallel, anything other is 'goodish'

Harry has it right. The correct statement is 'bad ploughing LOOKS better straight'

And, to the uninitiated, looks are all that matter!

 

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