Replacement round baler but which one ?

[Robbo21]

My old welger rp220 profi went up in flames this week , not the quickest but it’s been reliable!
So on the hunt for a replacement, have a budget of around 10 k , we do half chopped silage half straw approx @1500 per year ,
We only leave grass 24- 36 hrs before baling , but sometimes need to do a late cut of short stuff , usually quite wet because of the time of year , so do I go for welger rp 245 or maybe rp 435 or 445 ?
I have been offered a low bale count vicon rv4216 , what’s the difference between 5216 and 4216? are they any good ? is the net wrap system troublesome? I have been told it’s not easy to get replacement parts ?
Is anyone using a Vicon Rv 4216 that could give me some advice or should I stick with a welger ?

 

[Drillman]

McHale

 

[spider mike]

Not a great fan of the later/current vicon balers but a 2160 or a kuhn version should be within budget and should handle that work load easily

 

[BredRedHfd]

4216 had met wra issues if I remember correctly. 5216 was pretty much sorted, and deemed an excellent baler.
I run a 2160 Kuhn. Does everything I want, though if baling short wet leafy stuff, probably best sticking to rollers.

 

[Welderloon]

5216 superceded the older model 4216, 5216 had a modified drop floor, was fitted with a completely new netting system, improved density monitoring/setting & isobus control & a modified cam system on the pick up reel.
4216 will do everything you need & be a step up from your RP220.
I'd actually say it makes a tidier bale than a Welger without the hairy ends, the netter of that era was only really an issue in dry, dusty straw which meant everything needed to be kept clean, debris free & the knife needs to be sharp - tractor with air & a blow down gun overcame any 'issues' encountered, stick to better quality wrap or Tama edge-to-edge & there should be no issue.
Usual points, check condition of chains for stretch, bearings, belts, autolube & wiring for any rodent damage.
Your budget of 10k might obtain you a 5216 - Dealer here recently sold a tidy 30k bale count 5216 for that money

 

[Robbo21]

5216 superceded the older model 4216, 5216 had a modified drop floor, was fitted with a completely new netting system, improved density monitoring/setting & isobus control & a modified cam system on the pick up reel.
4216 will do everything you need & be a step up from your RP220.
I'd actually say it makes a tidier bale than a Welger without the hairy ends, the netter of that era was only really an issue in dry, dusty straw which meant everything needed to be kept clean, debris free & the knife needs to be sharp - tractor with air & a blow down gun overcame any 'issues' encountered, stick to better quality wrap or Tama edge-to-edge & there should be no issue.
Usual points, check condition of chains for stretch, bearings, belts, autolube & wiring for any rodent damage.
Your budget of 10k might obtain you a 5216 - Dealer here recently sold a tidy 30k bale count 5216 for that money

Many thanks , that is really useful to know , I have done a bit of research but can’t really find to much on the differences , between 4216 and 5216 . Much appreciated