RP28 Roofing over manure stores

[Grass And Grain]

Anyone know if this is to roof over existing manure storage areas, or can it be for a brand new facility (not where an existing manure store is)?

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

Anyone know if this is to roof over existing manure storage areas, or can it be for a brand new facility (not where an existing manure store is)?

Pretty sure its for existing areas only. Can't see why you couldn't put a temporary heap where you wanted the new store, and get the catchment sensitive farming officer out to see if they would approve one there though.

 

[nonemouse]

Not done one recently but certainly under old CSF procedure was tip couple of loads of muck where you want store, take pictures / get visit from CSF officer and just build where you had the photo.

 

[ploughman1963]

We have one approved. Discussed with the CSFO where it would make most sense to site it to avoid various field tumps. They were quite happy to agree to siting it close to other buildings where no muck was previously tipped, and an access road to avoid cutting up the field (and creating potential run-off) when spreading it on fields

 

[Grass And Grain]

We have one approved. Discussed with the CSFO where it would make most sense to site it to avoid various field tumps. They were quite happy to agree to siting it close to other buildings where no muck was previously tipped, and an access road to avoid cutting up the field (and creating potential run-off) when spreading it on fields

Were you previously just tipping in field heaps?

Or did you have a dedicated concrete base type of midden?

 

[Grass And Grain]

It's tricky using field heaps when land is under-drained, but you don't know where the drains are located.

 

[ploughman1963]

Tipping on fields - which was something of a nightmare. We eventually made some heavy boards (like the sewage sludge boys use) to reverse trailers into fields and the 360 to 'build' the pile.
We import all of the muck apart from our pig unit. We were granted a muckstore roof on the basis of the pig muck (turned down on a second on another unit) - Natural England have a bee in their bonnet about imported manure and wont support any importing despite all the arguments for doing it. Its all to do with the River Wye phosphates issues. I understand the EA and others are despairing of Natural Englands stance over this issue.

They will pay for the roof and supporting structure but it is a condition that the store must comply with all regulations - so you have to put in concrete floor and walls (?) and bunding and storage for any leachate at you own expense.

 

[robs1]

Tipping on fields - which was something of a nightmare. We eventually made some heavy boards (like the sewage sludge boys use) to reverse trailers into fields and the 360 to 'build' the pile.
We import all of the muck apart from our pig unit. We were granted a muckstore roof on the basis of the pig muck (turned down on a second on another unit) - Natural England have a bee in their bonnet about imported manure and wont support any importing despite all the arguments for doing it. Its all to do with the River Wye phosphates issues. I understand the EA and others are despairing of Natural Englands stance over this issue.

They will pay for the roof and supporting structure but it is a condition that the store must comply with all regulations - so you have to put in concrete floor and walls (?) and bunding and storage for any leachate at you own expense.

Sounds like most grant schemes you end up jumping through hoops and spending more than you get back

 

[ploughman1963]

Sounds like most grant schemes you end up jumping through hoops and spending more than you get back

It takes the shine off but it’s still a valuable contribution if you have need of a building that can house anything after 5 years

 

[glasshouse]

Tipping on fields - which was something of a nightmare. We eventually made some heavy boards (like the sewage sludge boys use) to reverse trailers into fields and the 360 to 'build' the pile.
We import all of the muck apart from our pig unit. We were granted a muckstore roof on the basis of the pig muck (turned down on a second on another unit) - Natural England have a bee in their bonnet about imported manure and wont support any importing despite all the arguments for doing it. Its all to do with the River Wye phosphates issues. I understand the EA and others are despairing of Natural Englands stance over this issue.

They will pay for the roof and supporting structure but it is a condition that the store must comply with all regulations - so you have to put in concrete floor and walls (?) and bunding and storage for any leachate at you own expense.

There wont be any leachate under a roof

 

[glasshouse]

Is it 100% funded?

 

[ploughman1963]

There wont be any leachate under a roof

liquor/leachate - there will be liquid coming out of our pig muck - if it leaked out under the panels it has to be contained by a bund. SSAFO regs?
There is a payment per m2 covered which covers a percentage of costs - £72/m2 I think

 

[robs1]

There wont be any leachate under a roof

We haul in lots of horse muck which always contains a fair bit of bedding compared to cattle muck, we often tip in a building when it's too wet in the fields it's surprising how much does run out when it's piled high

 

[e3120]

The liquor comes from 3 sources:

• A product of the breakdown of muck
• Reduction of moisture holding capacity as it breaks down
• Rainfall

A roof will only prevent the third. If the raw muck is at liquid capacity (maximum bedding efficiency) it is inevitable. It's rocket fuel, though, an asset.

 

[Grass And Grain]

It takes the shine off but it’s still a valuable contribution if you have need of a building that can house anything after 5 years

I know someone who has a feed fence along one side of his grant aided FYM store, and he's filled the shed with cattle. To be fair he has FYM underneath the cattle, but I suspect he's pushing the boundaries!

 

[ploughman1963]

If it’s less than 5 years old he’s risking losing all the funding

 

[casper74]

I know someone who has a feed fence along one side of his grant aided FYM store, and he's filled the shed with cattle. To be fair he has FYM underneath the cattle, but I suspect he's pushing the boundaries!

There's plenty around here that have put up 1,2,3, or 4 big "muck" stores in the last 10 or so years most of them are now housing cattle or pigs or sheep and muck is still getting tipped in the fields like it always has!

 

[Grass And Grain]

If it’s less than 5 years old he’s risking losing all the funding

Yes.

No way would I do that.

 

[milkloss]

Are these catchment sensitive PRIORITY areas or will they consider areas outside the line now? Is there an up to date version of CSF zoning?

 

[ploughman1963]

Yes.

No way would I do that.

No, nor me