Sabre rattling

[Martin Holden]

This is where Boris is playing us, Boris would have us believe the UK won’t agree to alignment with our biggest market whilst knowing “we”, not government, will have to align ourselves if we wish to access a market. And all the while he will allow others to supply us without aligning with our standards to access our market.

If Boris doesn’t ensure imports meet our standards which will no doubt be very similar to those of Europe, he will not be re elected.

 

[Martin Holden]

Why would he do that? It would be detrimental to the UK.
To supply any market, be that the EU, USA, Japan, China et.al. You have to align yourself to that market.

Well, today we must meet the standards of any market that we export to, so why would doing so be any different to the EU market. I don’t think the UK would deliberately not do so unless those standards were prohibitive in any way. It would be up to exporters to ensure compliance anyway. You think EU “has the gold”???

Taking back control is all well and good but you still have to stick to the golden rule “The one with the gold makes the rules”

 

[stewart]

Correct you have to meet the standards and criteria set by your customers, hence the need to align yourself with those markets, wherever they may be.
Whoever is buying from you has the “gold”

 

[le bon paysan]

If Boris doesn’t ensure imports meet our standards which will no doubt be very similar to those of Europe, he will not be re elected.

ROFL.
The general public vote the government in , not a tiny proportion of farmers, and they vote with their pocket. .

 

[jendan]

Why would he do that? It would be detrimental to the UK.
To supply any market, be that the EU, USA, Japan, China et.al. You have to align yourself to that market.
Taking back control is all well and good but you still have to stick to the golden rule “The one with the gold makes the rules”

He has to keep the ERG group and far right wingers happy.

 

[robs1]

Correct you have to meet the standards and criteria set by your customers, hence the need to align yourself with those markets, wherever they may be.
Whoever is buying from you has the “gold”

Yes we ALL know we have to meet their specs to sell into their market just as we do to any country BUT they are going way beyond that and are trying to say we have to abide by THEIR environmental, employment and government aid rules etc etc, NO country would accept that, does NZ ? They are trying to make our companies uncompetitive with not only theirs but to any market in the world, as much as exporters here want free trade with the EU they wont want their hands tied to rules that put them at a disadvantage to non EU countries.
For instance they want us to commit to banning any chem they dont like, not only for use in products sold to them but to our worldwide exports and home use.

 

[will l]

He has to keep the ERG group and far right wingers happy.

And his russian masters

 

[czechmate]

Yes we ALL know we have to meet their specs to sell into their market just as we do to any country BUT they are going way beyond that and are trying to say we have to abide by THEIR environmental, employment and government aid rules etc etc, NO country would accept that, does NZ ? They are trying to make our companies uncompetitive with not only theirs but to any market in the world, as much as exporters here want free trade with the EU they wont want their hands tied to rules that put them at a disadvantage to non EU countries.
For instance they want us to commit to banning any chem they dont like, not only for use in products sold to them but to our worldwide exports and home use.

Trade elsewhere then.
Just wish you would stop wasting our time

 

[Martin Holden]

ROFL.
The general public vote the government in , not a tiny proportion of farmers, and they vote with their pocket. .

Don’t underestimate the power of the public or farmers for that matter. Both French and German farmers are far more militant than those here ...... so far!

 

[Farmer1001]

Don’t underestimate the power of the public or farmers for that matter. Both French and German farmers are far more militant than those here ...... so far!

Sorry Martin but there is no way the public will throw their arms up in anger because chicken washed in chlorine is being sold in Wetherspoons, those that do will simply not buy it and this will empower Boris as he say “it’s not for government to dictate what British people should buy, it’s their right to choose” and the Boris lovers will be unable to contain themselves.

 

[Martin Holden]

Sorry Martin but there is no way the public will throw their arms up in anger because chicken washed in chlorine is being sold in Wetherspoons, those that do will simply not buy it and this will empower Boris as he say “it’s not for government to dictate what British people should buy, it’s their right to choose” and the Boris lovers will be unable to contain themselves.

You may well be right. However if the press get hold of the practice, they will “headline the hell” out of it and scare the public I would have thought. The power of the press works for and against you in equal measure. Funny old world. By the way are you an egg producer, given your “handle”??

 

[robs1]

Trade elsewhere then.
Just wish you would stop wasting our time

That's fine but it works both ways, I'm sure EU companies and farmers wont be happy paying tariffs and having to accept OUR rules, of course they might do what VW did and lie about complying. While it might take a long while AFAIK WTO rules forbid discrimination so the EU will have issues trying to stop our imports unless they apply the same rules to all. In whose interests is it to play silly buggers? Certainly not the citizens of either side, we all know it's a political game to dissuade others from leaving the club

 

[yin ewe]

Sorry Martin but there is no way the public will throw their arms up in anger because chicken washed in chlorine is being sold in Wetherspoons, those that do will simply not buy it and this will empower Boris as he say “it’s not for government to dictate what British people should buy, it’s their right to choose” and the Boris lovers will be unable to contain themselves.

What do Wetherspoons sell at the moment- British organic, free range, non gm chicken or the cheapest stuff they can lay their hands on? The people who want and can afford to buy our locally produced, farm assured stuff will continue to do so, the ones who can't will continue buy cheaper stuff that has always been available to buy, doubt they care or look for a country of origin.

 

[arcobob]

In the past almost all of the non EU compliant goods that have found their way into the UK have originated in other EU countries and most of the others have come from Asia via the EU.

 

[Farmer1001]

That's fine but it works both ways, I'm sure EU companies and farmers wont be happy paying tariffs and having to accept OUR rules, of course they might do what VW did and lie about complying. While it might take a long while AFAIK WTO rules forbid discrimination so the EU will have issues trying to stop our imports unless they apply the same rules to all. In whose interests is it to play silly buggers? Certainly not the citizens of either side, we all know it's a political game to dissuade others from leaving the club

The published tariffs show food imports into the UK will be less than our export tariffs, also complying with our rules/standards wont be hard for the EU as we race to the bottom so anyone can supply us. The penny has to drop at some point, Boris has said no alignment with EU rules, not because he is teaching the EU a lesson, but because it will scupper our ability to import from those with lesser rules, he has also promised cheaper food for the masses. But lets not kid ourselves, Boris will happily do ND, he has a vision of turning GB into a rich "serviced" country, built on financial services, a low carbon foot print with wildlife everywhere and our food coming in from anyone the public are happy to buy from - the will of the people. If you read anything his mate Zac Goldsmith is saying re the new policy and public good for public money, there is nothing about a food policy thats good for British farmers, he and the rest make huge gestures about supporting farmers but refuse point blank not to legislate against under cutting UK standards. How keen is Boris to see through his idealism? Well Zac got sacked as a minister but given a peerage so as to maintain his ministerial role and influence. Who knows, maybe it will be a grand future for us all....

 

[arcobob]

Who polices EU compliance, the EU or the member states or perhaps whistle blowers. Whoever it is their standards of operation have been sketchy, erratic or non existent. In other words they are not what they are cracked up to be. Traditionally we have exceeded EU standards and to be fair this has led to some resentment. I very much doubt that our operating, rather than theoretical standards will drop below theirs any time soon.

 

[Widgetone]

In the past almost all of the non EU compliant goods that have found their way into the UK have originated in other EU countries and most of the others have come from Asia via the EU.

I'm sure you have the evidence of that rather sweeping statement.
Thank heavens Boris will stop all that when we deal directly with our fellow third countries.....

 

[wanton dwarf]

I'm sure you have the evidence of that rather sweeping statement.
Thank heavens Boris will stop all that when we deal directly with our fellow third countries.....

As a farmer you should already know the results of the egg cage ban, pig stall ban and where horse meat found it's way into UK markets.

Same with Hepititus E in German Pig meat. Ash die back imported into the UK from the EU.

A classic current example is the banning of Nicotinoids .. banned in the UK but grown in the Ukraine and imported by the millions of tonnes into the UK.

Same with GM Soya .. banned in the UK but imported by the millions of tonnes into the UK .. whilst the Amazon rain forest is flattened to facilitate new imports for Anti Milk "Environmentalists" or should I say "Mentalists".

 

[arcobob]

I'm sure you have the evidence of that rather sweeping statement.
Thank heavens Boris will stop all that when we deal directly with our fellow third countries.....

You don`t have to look very far. VW cars, Polish beef, sundry "beef products" including Irish, wonky egg products, dodgy "olive oil" and I am sure that there are many more.

 

[wanton dwarf]

The published tariffs show food imports into the UK will be less than our export tariffs, also complying with our rules/standards wont be hard for the EU as we race to the bottom so anyone can supply us. The penny has to drop at some point, Boris has said no alignment with EU rules, not because he is teaching the EU a lesson, but because it will scupper our ability to import from those with lesser rules, he has also promised cheaper food for the masses. But lets not kid ourselves, Boris will happily do ND, he has a vision of turning GB into a rich "serviced" country, built on financial services, a low carbon foot print with wildlife everywhere and our food coming in from anyone the public are happy to buy from - the will of the people. If you read anything his mate Zac Goldsmith is saying re the new policy and public good for public money, there is nothing about a food policy thats good for British farmers, he and the rest make huge gestures about supporting farmers but refuse point blank not to legislate against under cutting UK standards. How keen is Boris to see through his idealism? Well Zac got sacked as a minister but given a peerage so as to maintain his ministerial role and influence. Who knows, maybe it will be a grand future for us all....

Well isn't this a trap that's been set by the public ?

It's very obvious to everyone that government has to play by their own rules or not bother with this draconian policy.

People aren't thick .. every voter will be keeping an eye on what comes out of their mouths and compare it to action on the ground. If the Conservatives fail they'll not be re-elected probably for decades - just like the Labour party has.