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So when will Estate Landowners be held responsible for any illegal killings on the properties it happens on? Cutting out tags wrapping it in lead sheeting and chucking it in a river is as pre-meditated as you could possibly get imo.
Satellite tag discovery reveals lengths raptor killers will go to to conceal crimes
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So when will Estate Landowners be held responsible for any illegal killings on the properties it happens on? Cutting out tags wrapping it in lead sheeting and chucking it in a river is as pre-meditated as you could possibly get imo.
- Location
- East Sussex
Why are they tagging them anyway? Doesn't seem right catching them and attaching a tag to a wild bird like that.....won't stop them being persecuted either obviously. I'm sure these organisations are just doing it to justify their existence at the detriment of the birds quality of life.
They tag them to study behaviours, movements etc..
I think people illegally shooting them is detrimental to it's quality of life imo.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
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So when will Estate Landowners be held responsible for any illegal killings on the properties it happens on?
Hopefully never - just as I don't expect the state to be responsible for any murders that take place in public parks etc.
Dreadful, but it needs proper evidence to mount a prosecution, not just a witchhunt based on this. Let the police do their job, but also hope that they don't waste too much of their valuable and scarse resources on it - it's not like there's a shortage of Golden eagles around the area in question, and no real risk of them going extinct.
If you want a wildlife cause to champion, may I suggest the loss of hedgehogs, caused almost certainly by the excess of badgers in the countryside? Or indeed the many thousands of cattle who meet untimely deaths as a result of exposure to badgers - an animal which has absolutely no need for protection and is only really on the list because they look cute in cartoons, if we're honest.
- Location
- Central Scotland
Dumping in a river with serial numbers intact to be found again sounds fishy - why wouldnt someone just take a hammer to it and scatter the bits?
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Because they want it to be found later ? Wouldn't put it past the RSPB to do it themselves with a view to try and get the public on their side. Wasn't there a famous case about one that was alleged to have been poisoned and ended up dead in north africa, maybe even injured by the tracker? Certainly the local rumours of the Ross shire losses were that it was traced back to RSPB errors and actually caused by them.
The Estate owners hire the Gamekeepers though, they are mostly in the know what happens on the property, I bet big fines for the game estate owners for illegal shootings would seriously reduce the numbers.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
So if I murder someone whilst I'm standing in your garden, you should be fined?
Oh, and you've no evidence here that a shooting took place, far less where the shooting took place and by whom.
And to clarify - an estate owner in the Highlands might own a hundred square miles of heather hill and rock, which has open access to the entire population of Scotland under our right to roam rules. They maybe visit it for two or three weeks of the year, and spend the rest of the time in another country. How the hell do you think they 'are mostly in the know what happens on the property' (your words)?
- Location
- North West England
If I wrapped a similar sized object in lead sheet and threw it in the local river, what are the chances of someone finding it only a few years later???? 
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
If I wrapped a similar sized object in lead sheet and threw it in the local river, what are the chances of someone finding it only a few years later????
Quite high, if you told your mate where to look for it...
This also applies to the nature reserves as well when raptors disappear over their property ?
Also have you a link for the numbers of illegal killings, just because these NGO's with an agenda scream one was lost over a Grouse moor in suspicious circumstances doesn't mean it was at all, especially as it always seems to happen at certain high profile times, ( like a day before the Grouse season opens.. )
Including nature reserves, they must take reasonable measures to ensure that people don't illegally shoot protected species.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
We all should, but you can't just go convicting landowners of a crime that we don't even know has been committed, far less one for which there is no evidence they were involved. Again I'll ask - if someone is murdered in your garden, should you go to jail?
No, but if you got game being kept on the property for field sports land owners need to make sure it doesn't happen - it seems currently that apparently these owners don't know anything about what happens, the countryside is a clicky place especially shooting and field sports, you can bet the estates where it happens the owners fully know it goes on but don't give a sh!t
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
But you don't need to 'make sure' murders don't happen in your garden?
it seems currently that apparently these owners don't know anything about what happens, the countryside is a clicky place especially shooting and field sports, you can bet the estates where it happens the owners fully know it goes on but don't give a sh!t
I'd take that bet - do you have any idea what the rural north of Scotland is like? Anders Povlsen owns 345 square miles - that's more than half the area of greater London.
Vicarious Liability already exists in scotland for estate owners.
It does, but doesn't it still need to be able to prove a crime committed and by it's employees ?
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
You have to prove that a crime has been committed for a start, and then show that the landowner was negligent in some way. Not just find a tracker and then go off on one. Plenty dead birds turn up on public land - shall I petition the judicuary to prosecute you under vicarious liability laws as a taxpayer? Again - these are massive areas over which the landowner has minimal control.
Yes it does, if a crime happens during shoots etc the owner takes responsibility, which is what I was saying lol.
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