Slaughter codes for halal

[Lindell]

@Highland Mule why argue with someone who has been a member for 2 whole months, but all they've done is 'contrubute' to 1 thread which they had to dig up which was 2 years old?..


Don't feed the trolls.

You can't educate the stupid.

The stupid people are the producers, from farmers through to supermarkets who are trying to hide the facts from the general public. Why do you think the Vegan Movement is growing so rapidly.

 

[Highland Mule]

The stupid people are the producers, from farmers through to supermarkets who are trying to hide the facts from the general public. Why do you think the Vegan Movement is growing so rapidly.

Fashion, celebrity culture and a failure of mainstream media to expose the hypocracy that comes with the “eating disorder de jour”?

Almost as inexplicable as you using the word “facts”, when you won’t correct the multitude of lies in this thread.

 

[nelly55]

I think I started this thread and we should only be debating stunned and non stunned ways in which animals are killed.When you read the rules for the standard of welfare for farm assurance ,then once the animal has left the farm those rules seem to change.Religious reasons should play no part in animal welfare if it causes pain and distress.The media and comments seem to indicate that the vast amount of livestock is killed this way ,maybe someone would know the %.If I am a troll and some don’t agree scroll by,but are we turning into a society that those who shout loudest about religion are listened to while the rest fall into line.I have no problem with anyone even the man on the moon.
But I will not eat non stunned meat nor will any of my animals suffer the fate of non stun.My choice ,my belief ,but at the end of the day we must get away from quoting against different race,religion and stick to the fact of animal welfare in the 21st century.This thread is 2 years old but it shows some of us still care.signing off Troll Nelly

 

[Nithsdale]

The stupid people are the producers, from farmers through to supermarkets who are trying to hide the facts from the general public. Why do you think the Vegan Movement is growing so rapidly.

What facts are being hidden?

If with open eyes you look, you will find the truth.

Veganism is a fad, a fashion trend. The health risks and unsustainability of this lifestyle have both been well documented if you care to listen to the experts - not us stupid farmers.

The hypocrisy of vegans is breathtaking.

 

[Highland Mule]

I think I started this thread and we should only be debating stunned and non stunned ways in which animals are killed.

My choice ,my belief ,but at the end of the day we must get away from quoting against different race,religion and stick to the fact of animal welfare in the 21st century.

And yet look at the title you gave the thread. I'll be optimistic and think that perhaps the discussion within the thread has educated you to have a better understanding now.

The media and comments seem to indicate that the vast amount of livestock is killed this way ,maybe someone would know the %.

It's been stated up thread and readily available, but from memory around 85% of all sheep meat is stunned and rendered unconscious at the point of slaughter.

 

[Sandyqqq]

Disgraceful...glad 90% of mine go deadweight

Thank you

You’re confused and are either deliberately spreading lies or have been fed a bunch of lies and don’t know what’s what. Stun slaughter is recoverable stun, but is not recovered stun. Barring errors or the likes, the animal is unconscious at the point of death and any suggestion of the norm being otherwise is simply untrue.

wrong.....

 

[Nithsdale]

And yet look at the title you gave the thread. I'll be optimistic and think that perhaps the discussion within the thread has educated you to have a better understanding now.



It's been stated up thread and readily available, but from memory around 85% of all sheep meat is stunned and rendered unconscious at the point of slaughter.

And of that 15% which is not stunned only 5% is Halal, the other 10% is Kosher.


Kosher is what needs stopped, not Halal.

 

[Sandyqqq]

I think I started this thread and we should only be debating stunned and non stunned ways in which animals are killed.When you read the rules for the standard of welfare for farm assurance ,then once the animal has left the farm those rules seem to change.Religious reasons should play no part in animal welfare if it causes pain and distress.The media and comments seem to indicate that the vast amount of livestock is killed this way ,maybe someone would know the %.If I am a troll and some don’t agree scroll by,but are we turning into a society that those who shout loudest about religion are listened to while the rest fall into line.I have no problem with anyone even the man on the moon.
But I will not eat non stunned meat nor will any of my animals suffer the fate of non stun.My choice ,my belief ,but at the end of the day we must get away from quoting against different race,religion and stick to the fact of animal welfare in the 21st century.This thread is 2 years old but it shows some of us still care.signing off Troll Nelly

Thank you Nelly, animal welfare is paramount!

 

[Highland Mule]

Thank you

wrong.....

@Sandyqqq - perhaps you can give us your background, the level of involvement you have in farming and hence how you can write so definitively on these matters, in seeming contradiction to the farmers, abattoir workers and those who derive an income from it? It appears that you are a one subject troll, trying to spread islamaphobic lies, but I would be happy if you could prove otherwise and share some of the evidence you have for the diametrically opposed 'facts' you present.

 

[nelly55]

The title was stating that slaughter codes are available for non stun,Maybe I should alter the term.Sadly a lot of the public don’t know the terms stun and non stun but relate to religious reasons,my fault gone off to sit on the naughty chair.

 

[Highland Mule]

The title was stating that slaughter codes are available for non stun,Maybe I should alter the term.Sadly a lot of the public don’t know the terms stun and non stun but relate to religious reasons,my fault gone off to sit on the naughty chair.

Don't go - we need the chair for someone else. Just learn from it and move on, is my advice. I'll stick this handy reminder here as well, of why precision is important to all of us.

 

[Sandyqqq]

@Sandyqqq, @Lindell


I know I shouldn’t, but misunderstanding of cultures and encouraging religious intolerance is one step further down the track towards societal division. Lies like this should always be challenged, because of they’re not they will be read by someone like the NZ shooter and be used as a justification for the next hate crime. We need fewer walls and divisions in life, not more.

Why is there not an outcry over Kosher slaughter. They are 100% non stun?

Gets me so cross religion is not an excuse to cause suffering to an animal .Every damn time they quote religion etc.Well it's against my religion to eat meat from an animal that has suffered during slaughter.The meat needs labelling whether they like it or not .

Gets me cross Nelly when they scream Islamophobia at people who's concern is Animal Welfare They do it just to shut them up and try to stop them from improving animal welfare, in the process they stir up ill feeling between people that didn’t exist before!

 

[Nithsdale]

Don’t be fooled by thinking that pre stunning is humane, the pre stun last only long enough for the unfortunate animal to be strung up. It then regains conciousness and dies in terror and pain. To be Halal the animal has to be conscious when its throat is cut to bleed out . The British stun with the captive bolt renders the animal brain dead before its throat is cut. Halal is cruel barbaric and medieval and has no place in a civilised society. Belgium has just banned it as of Jan 2019 Muslims are around five percent of our population, why should ninety five of the population have to eat meat that is barbarically slaughterd. Britain has always been known as a nation of animal lovers ! I think a lot of people are going to be very angry when they eventually find out they have been unknowingly eating such meat.

Man in Black I totally agree,we rear our animals from birth to slaughter as humanly and respectfully as possible. The thought of our animals dying in fear and pain is disgusting.UK farmers have to follow strict animal welfare laws and would be put in jail if they killed livestock in such a barbaric way. The govermnment have given an exemption for Halal and Kosher. No religion should be an excuse for such cruelty. It must be banned.

Rubbish yourself! Muslims and Jews have a religious exemption in the U.K. The law you refer to does not apply to them. Kosher use no stun and Halal use a recoverable stun. The British use a full stun that renders the animal brain dead when the captive bolt is used! .

Muslims will not accept meat as Halal unless the animal is concious when its throat is cut. It has to be conscious to hear the prayer.

I do not wish to eat meat that has not been stunned before slaughter. By stunned I mean fully stunned unconscious or brain dead before having its throat cut. The recoverable stun the Muslims use is because to qualify as halal the animal must be conscious when it’s throat is cut. A lot of this meat enters the food chain unlabelled as it is excess to Muslim requirements and we are told it is stunned. A light stun that does not kill the animal or render it brain dead is very cruel. Religious slaughter has an exemption from British high animal welfare laws.

It is legal for Muslims to kill animals while they are conscious in a registered slaughterhouse.

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no I do not have a fixation on Muslims, I love all people of all races that are kind, I believe all meat religiously slaughterd should be killed humanly. The point is it is clear that for instance for meat to qualify as Kosher the animal is not stunned at all, it should be banned because it is cruel. The meat industry are telling us that a high proportion of Halal meat is stunned, this is misleading because to qualify as Halal the animal has to be conscious when its throat is cut and a recoverable stun is used! I believe an animal should be fully stunned. I don’t know of any other religions that our government give an exemption to other than these two religions! Do you?

 

[Nithsdale]

Gets me cross Nelly when they scream Islamophobia at people who's concern is Animal Welfare They do it just to shut them up and try to stop them from improving animal welfare, in the process they stir up ill feeling between people that didn’t exist before!

My previous post is every post you use the word Muslim and refer to religion.


If you are so concerned for animal welfare you would separate the issue from religion and not refer to Muslims.


The issue is simply stun, or no stun in Halal slaughter, and all Kosher.

 

[Highland Mule]

My previous post is every post you use the word Muslim and refer to religion.


If you are so concerned for animal welfare you would separate the issue from religion and not refer to Muslims.


The issue is simply stun, or no stun in Halal slaughter, and all Kosher.

Seven out of a total of twenty posts (all of which are in this thread). I think you have a point.

 

[Nithsdale]

Seven out of a total of twenty posts (all of which are in this thread). I think you have a point.

No, It's not a point...



It's an irrefutable FACT which they can not argue against.

 

[Sandyqqq]

Mwj There is an outcry against Kosher, all religious slaughter that kills animals that are not fully stunned into unconsciousness is being challenged. This has nothing to do with people but it has to do with the methods that animals are killed for meat.

 

[Smith31]

Mwj There is an outcry against Kosher, all religious slaughter that kills animals that are not fully stunned into unconsciousness is being challenged. This has nothing to do with people but it has to do with the methods that animals are killed for meat.

The truth is you don't have a clue what you're on about, I was at an abattoir last week, nearly every ewe slaughtered was in lamb. Pregnant ewes travelling hundreds of miles to the abattoir is a far greater animal welfare issue, then halal or kosher will ever be.

Why are slaughtermen in major abattoirs walking off the slaughter lines because British farmers are sending pregnant cattle in for slaughter? Is that not cruel?

Go and visit an abattoir see how strictly they are regulated, visit a few farms then come back with something constructive please.

 

[Highland Mule]

The truth is you don't have a clue what you're on about, I was at an abattoir last week, nearly every ewe slaughtered was in lamb. Pregnant ewes travelling hundreds of miles to the abattoir is a far greater animal welfare issue, then halal or kosher will ever be.

Why are slaughtermen in major abattoirs walking off the slaughter lines because British farmers are sending pregnant cattle in for slaughter? Is that not cruel?

Go and visit an abattoir see how strictly they are regulated, visit a few farms then come back with something constructive please.

Shocking, and well worth protesting against.

 

[nelly55]

Are you saying a small amount of farmers

The truth is you don't have a clue what you're on about, I was at an abattoir last week, nearly every ewe slaughtered was in lamb. Pregnant ewes travelling hundreds of miles to the abattoir is a far greater animal welfare issue, then halal or kosher will ever be.

Why are slaughtermen in major abattoirs walking off the slaughter lines because British farmers are sending pregnant cattle in for slaughter? Is that not cruel?

Go and visit an abattoir see how strictly they are regulated, visit a few farms then come back with something constructive please.

why is this not reported ,yes I’ve seen cattle slaughtered been rearing cattle over 40 years,I find what you are saying terrible ,anyone sending livestock in like that should be ashamed.Out of interest as I have no first hand experience do they kill pregnant cows if Tb reactors.
To be honest a lot of farmers,never mind the public don’t know half of what goes on.Very sad world we live in.