SOP AGM.

[arcobob]

I’m a whole 5 miles north of the border. As said the Scottish is open to anyone (including other nationalities) and both Richard Ingram and Ray Alderson have won there respective classes! To win the European or six nations you have to compete against the best from there respective country so I have no issue doing it at our national! As you will be aware the classic and vintage mounted trophy’s at the British have been won by people north of the border over the years so it goes both ways! I always enjoyed ploughing at the British and met a lot of ploughmen through it. It has only really been over the last couple of years that I have found out what has been happening behind the scenes with the sop so that had no effect on me attending.

Thanks for the clarification. So an English vintage society that is open to all but the champion in his/her respective class would by definition be English and represent England in the European champs. Any other nationality finishing first would take the money but no honours.. Am I correct? Also would any non English ploughman hold any office in the English Vintage Ploughing Organisation?

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

English vintage society that is open to all but the champion in his/her respective class would by definition be English and represent England in the European champs.

Am I missing something here, but will it be possible to send someone to the European from this new club and also from the SOP, that would mean double entries from England, ?

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

The vintage classes at the Scottish are open to every one but you must be a member which is £20 and £20 entry fee

this would not work in England the same as it does in Scotland, reason for this is if it was a free for all, with no qualifiers,
then due to the amount of ploughmen in England wanting to go to the final, you may need upwards of 600 acre, as there maybe many more entries, and it would be difficult to control, and as you know, you can get a few that will enter that is out of their depth at National level

 

[Roy Stokes]

its not even a regular feature in the tractor magazines, and believe me I have tried to make it one, but there is no editorial interest.

Try the new quarterly magazine Heritage Tractor from the same stable as Classic Tractor Harry, they have match reports, Q&A sessions with top ploughmen and yours truly helping out to top it off, this mag is full of great features and seems to be accurate, also printed on high quality material, give it a try, spring 2018 issue has been in shops a couple of weeks now

 

[wuddy]

this would not work in England the same as it does in Scotland, reason for this is if it was a free for all, with no qualifiers,
then due to the amount of ploughmen in England wanting to go to the final, you may need upwards of 600 acre, as there maybe many more entries, and it would be difficult to control, and as you know, you can get a few that will enter that is out of their depth at National level

Your probably right! I am not saying any system is right or wrong just explaining how things are done at the Scottish.

 

[wuddy]

Thanks for the clarification. So an English vintage society that is open to all but the champion in his/her respective class would by definition be English and represent England in the European champs. Any other nationality finishing first would take the money but no honours.. Am I correct? Also would any non English ploughman hold any office in the English Vintage Ploughing Organisation?

Think the people in office come down to attitude rather than nationality. If a plougher of another nationality is willing to travel to meetings, help any way they can finding sites/setting up etc why shouldn’t they be?

 

[wuddy]

Am I missing something here, but will it be possible to send someone to the European from this new club and also from the SOP, that would mean double entries from England, ?

Think this would have to be decided at a European agm and obviously couldn’t be brought up until the “new” body was set up in England!

 

[Mydexta]

Been a while since I last ploughed at the British (Hereford I think) entry was £25 membership was £25 and it would have cost £10 to enter the qualifier so £60! The vintage classes at the Scottish are open to every one but you must be a member which is £20 and £20 entry fee. Ten from each vintage class go forward to there respective plough offs and pay another £20. iirc the top four on Saturday get prize money as do the top four on the Sunday. And as the scores are aggregate over the two days the top four overall receive prize money!

Top 4????

 

[Howard150]

not ill defined at all, the words "British National" sums it up, does it not

Unfortunately not. Northern Ireland were excluded after Penrith when they were told by the establishment that they were not part of the British Isles or so I am led to believe. Apologies in advance if I am wrong.

I would think the republic got the same treatment. At one time the welsh were served the same, although overruled at an AGM. Tommy Cochrane explained the Irish situation to me at length - just that the longer part was lost in a rant against the powers of the SOP

It would seem that exclusion zones are more to do with excluding superior talent rather than a simple everyday geographic issue.

 

[wuddy]

Top 4????

Not sure Euan. It could just be top 3 I would need to double check just working from memory from nearly two years ago

 

[Ley253]

Try the new quarterly magazine Heritage Tractor from the same stable as Classic Tractor Harry, they have match reports, Q&A sessions with top ploughmen and yours truly helping out to top it off, this mag is full of great features and seems to be accurate, also printed on high quality material, give it a try, spring 2018 issue has been in shops a couple of weeks now

Thanks for the inf Roy, I had heard about that mag, but couldnt find one. I will trawl the news agents tomorrow. ( cant do much else with the weather!)

 

[Ley253]

Unfortunately not. Northern Ireland were excluded after Penrith when they were told by the establishment that they were not part of the British Isles or so I am led to believe. Apologies in advance if I am wrong.

I would think the republic got the same treatment. At one time the welsh were served the same. Tommy Cochrane explained it to me at length - just that the longer part was lost in a rant against the powers of the SOP

It would seem that exclusion zones are more to do with excluding superior talent rather than a simple everyday geographic issue.

The establishment in this case was the world ploughing lot! Decided Ireland having two entries was wrong.

 

[Mydexta]

Not sure Euan. It could just be top 3

It is not clear what your geographical location is or your chosen nationality. Regarding my earlier remark , what are your preferences for a new national vintage organisation? My Dexta has not been forthcoming on this either. Do the Scots prefer their own national identity or do we need a truly British organisation? How do Northern Ireland feel about this?.

A new organisation, as has been spoken about on here won’t make a blind bit of difference to me.

My nearest qualifier is about 2.5-3hrs traveling away, which is out of
My travel range unless it’s to the Scottish championships.

Best of luck to all involved in trying to get this up and running

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

A new organisation, as has been spoken about on here won’t make a blind bit of difference to me.

My nearest qualifier is about 2.5-3hrs traveling away, which is out of
My travel range unless it’s to the Scottish championships.

Best of luck to all involved in trying to get this up and running

you have enough problems at home, without coming down here

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

The establishment in this case was the world ploughing lot! Decided Ireland having two entries was wrong.

would this be the case for Wales as well ?

 

[Ley253]

No, Ireland was special as most of it is an independent state. Wales still plough in the British national, Evan Watkin finished forth

 

[Mydexta]

you have enough problems at home, without coming down here

I told you not to tell everyone. The cream is helping and the rash is going away slowly

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

I told you not to tell everyone. The cream is helping and the rash is going away slowly

 

[Roy Stokes]

Going back to the possible new rule of all starting from the same end of the plot it may have been mooted due to the requirement for all competitors to draw their first furrow from the end the competitors are lead to at European vintage competitions, on the slopes of Pembrokeshire where I ploughed for England some were advantaged and some were disadvantaged as it dropped off both ways

 

[Ley253]

It is a rule now, comes from the world organisation.