The three strands to ELMS

[Treg]

The new agricultural scheme is that good we're going to export it
"White House looks to post-Brexit Britain for greener farming reforms" https://inews-co-uk.cdn.ampproject....e-post-brexit-britain-greener-farming-1217082

 

[Greythundercloudys]

What pays for fertiliser, feeding, pickups, it sfp. Can you imagine what the first two will be in 3 years time.

 

[Hindsight]

Yep, Most farms (by number) are first and foremost businesses, but some of the biggest (by area) are little more than a cash cow for already wealthy owners whose main source of income is outside agriculture..
Very difficult to get Joe Public ( And seemingly DEFRA) to understand the massive gulf between the two.

Jeremy Clarkson had a go. And his Diddly Squat Farm seems from all accounts to be diversifying into retail and Leisure!!!! Oh and upsetting his local Nimbys.

 

[Old Tup]

Jeremy Clarkson had a go. And his Diddly Squat Farm seems from all accounts to be diversifying into retail and Leisure!!!! Oh and upsetting his local Nimbys.

Interesting Plod found time to object to JC’s latest plans on traffic grounds etc……much the same day as they were offering assistance to the Great Unwashed who were blocking the M25…

 

[delilah]

Some great points there @delilah. I'm sure you've already shared with @Janet Hughes Defra, so it would be great to hear her thoughts about this proposed restructure.

Sent to Janet and her colleagues in co-design, and to the members of the Defra Elms engagement group.

https://defrafarming.blog.gov.uk/2021/07/27/the-environmental-land-management-engagement-group/

Also sent them the attached, being my view on where the first £1 Billion of the annual budget should go.

 

[steveR]

Yep, Most farms (by number) are first and foremost businesses, but some of the biggest (by area) are little more than a cash cow for already wealthy owners whose main source of income is outside agriculture..
Very difficult to get Joe Public ( And seemingly DEFRA) to understand the massive gulf between the two.

....are little more than a cash cow for already wealthy owners and Charities, whose main source of income is outside agriculture..

 

[delilah]

For anyone interested in devaluing their farm.

https://defrafarming.blog.gov.uk/2021/09/30/catch-up-on-our-landscape-recovery-information-sessions/

 

[tepapa]

I doubt defra came up with a third split for the money on their own.
I guess some large organisations/institutions have managed to pursuade defra to channel more of the money into their own pockets and out of the 'bad for the environment' farmers.

 

[ajcc]

Landscape recovery aka rewilding....? but probably also allow default public access experience as in Forest Enterprise, NT models.
Also stop managing watercourses (other than with beavers) to let land flood.
Public money for public goods?
These civil servants and their presentations need to retrain to pick vegetables or even stones and find more gainful employment.

 

[steveR]

I doubt defra came up with a third split for the money on their own.
I guess some large organisations/institutions have managed to pursuade defra to channel more of the money into their own pockets and out of the 'bad for the environment' farmers.

Totally. Driven by NT, RSPCA and the like.... The Royal Estates??

 

[farmerm]

Looks lile the big land owning charities have nobbled DEFRA.

What if you want to access a higher tier, but your neighbours don't want to collaborate. You're stuck on the lower tiers.

Farming is cyclical, be it weather conditions, yields, diseases or prices. Sometimes these events happen for several years in a row.

Subsidies give a financial cushion to this problem.

Unless there's a shift in food prices, looks like DEFRA might be responsible for one whole lot of bankruptcies, land devaluation, negative equity, and a disaster.

As Delilah says, shift the weighting.

And remember, we need to do things which cost us money to get SFI. So it might only be 50% profit from the headline SFI figure.

I think ELMS is going to be a disaster.

50% profit... in your dreams me thinks!

 

[farmerm]

For anyone interested in devaluing their farm.

https://defrafarming.blog.gov.uk/2021/09/30/catch-up-on-our-landscape-recovery-information-sessions/

Landscapes in need of recovery.....

Landscapes in need of landscape maintenance support not landscape recovery!!