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[Henarar]

Being nice to each other theres no chance of that and we aint seen nuthin yet!! Just wait until Brexit/ Remain gets finally settled and the losers are saddled with it, that's when things in the UK really will turn nasty!

what happened last time did leave supports get nasty after they lost the ref and the UK stayed in against what they wanted ? I am to young to remember but I have not heard of there being any trouble or things getting nasty

 

[arcobob]

A few people were very strongly opposed to joining the Common Market (EEC) but there was never the divide that we see now. I voted to join on the evidence and advice presented by our leaders and I have been systematically betrayed ever since. Anybody who believes that this will not happen time and time again if we stay in the EU is living in cloud cuckoo land because we will continue to have no control over our destiny.
I am both ashamed and angry about my vote to join and I make no apology for being nearly 75 years old with a very good memory and years of experience. What has happened will never be reversed until we leave and I believe that future generations will benefit in the long run. I have no future, but my children and grandchildren have, and so my position is not for me and the present but for them.

 

[Austin7]

A few people were very strongly opposed to joining the Common Market (EEC) but there was never the divide that we see now. I voted to join on the evidence and advice presented by our leaders and I have been systematically betrayed ever since. Anybody who believes that this will not happen time and time again if we stay in the EU is living in cloud cuckoo land because we will continue to have no control over our destiny.
I am both ashamed and angry about my vote to join and I make no apology for being nearly 75 years old with a very good memory and years of experience. What has happened will never be reversed until we leave and I believe that future generations will benefit in the long run. I have no future, but my children and grandchildren have, and so my position is not for me and the present but for them.

I have only 74 years of experience. For nearly half of those years I have in one way or another been elected by my fellow farmers to represent their best interests and of course as part of the job take the blame for all the wrongs of the world. During all this time I never once heard a farmer seriously suggesting we leave the EU. There was of course plenty of grousing and in those days marching through Brussels with our less inhibited Continental farming brothers. Leaving EU means losing the solidarity and political power of our continental farming neighbours. We did not just march with them as part of COPA (Committee of Professional Agricultural Organisations) we came together to make sure our voce was heard.

In all the time I was crossing the water the damage to UK farmers was rarely done in Brussels but back in Westminster where EU’s sometimes generous subsidiarity was pounced on to gold plate UK regulation and cut benefits. The old MAFF civil service was made up of ex NAAS and ADAS officers who once had mud on their boots, today DEFRA civil servants are more likely to have been seconded from the Treasury, be a member of RSPB and worse watch Countryfile. Taking back control sounds good but be careful what you wish for.

It was Margaret Thatcher who championed the single market in April 88 she said “Above all, it means a positive attitude of mind: a decision to go all out to make a success of the single market.” Potatoes were exempt from the rules of the single market and despite a hard fought battle I could not get them included. The result was the Dutch in particular were free to subsidise their industry thereby distorting our processing market by dumping product into the UK, a foretaste of what is to come with the rest of our production post Brexit.

EU Directives have a bad name but in fact they would often be better described as EU Protectives. The reason Margaret Thatcher was so keen on the single market is that it was the instrument which enabled the sweeping away of restrictive trade practises in the European Market. EU Directives were never about bent bananas but about making the single market work fairly.

Rather than emasculating the UK the EU gave us over the last 45 years the ability to influence Continental Europe, without doubt we did not fully rise to the challenge but the extent of our success is grossly underestimated. One small example, English is now the language of the EU. Getting the French to speak in our mother tongue is no minor achievement.

 

[Danllan]

I have only 74 years of experience. For nearly half of those years I have in one way or another been elected by my fellow farmers to represent their best interests and of course as part of the job take the blame for all the wrongs of the world. During all this time I never once heard a farmer seriously suggesting we leave the EU. There was of course plenty of grousing and in those days marching through Brussels with our less inhibited Continental farming brothers. Leaving EU means losing the solidarity and political power of our continental farming neighbours. We did not just march with them as part of COPA (Committee of Professional Agricultural Organisations) we came together to make sure our voce was heard.

In all the time I was crossing the water the damage to UK farmers was rarely done in Brussels but back in Westminster where EU’s sometimes generous subsidiarity was pounced on to gold plate UK regulation and cut benefits. The old MAFF civil service was made up of ex NAAS and ADAS officers who once had mud on their boots, today DEFRA civil servants are more likely to have been seconded from the Treasury, be a member of RSPB and worse watch Countryfile. Taking back control sounds good but be careful what you wish for.

It was Margaret Thatcher who championed the single market in April 88 she said “Above all, it means a positive attitude of mind: a decision to go all out to make a success of the single market.” Potatoes were exempt from the rules of the single market and despite a hard fought battle I could not get them included. The result was the Dutch in particular were free to subsidise their industry thereby distorting our processing market by dumping product into the UK, a foretaste of what is to come with the rest of our production post Brexit.

EU Directives have a bad name but in fact they would often be better described as EU Protectives. The reason Margaret Thatcher was so keen on the single market is that it was the instrument which enabled the sweeping away of restrictive trade practises in the European Market. EU Directives were never about bent bananas but about making the single market work fairly.

Rather than emasculating the UK the EU gave us over the last 45 years the ability to influence Continental Europe, without doubt we did not fully rise to the challenge but the extent of our success is grossly underestimated. One small example, English is now the language of the EU. Getting the French to speak in our mother tongue is no minor achievement.

That is a very long way of telling us that you liked the gravy train and care more about your own interest than the national one - whereas, many of us care more for the country and its long-term well being than you and voted upon that basis.

I'll be happy to bet that your 'predictions' are rubbish, and feel particularly confident in my assessment of your judgement after reading of your love for EC Directives etc.; anyone blind to their true nature will convince himself of anything.

 

[Ncap]

I have only 74 years of experience. For nearly half of those years I have in one way or another been elected by my fellow farmers to represent their best interests and of course as part of the job take the blame for all the wrongs of the world. During all this time I never once heard a farmer seriously suggesting we leave the EU. There was of course plenty of grousing and in those days marching through Brussels with our less inhibited Continental farming brothers. Leaving EU means losing the solidarity and political power of our continental farming neighbours. We did not just march with them as part of COPA (Committee of Professional Agricultural Organisations) we came together to make sure our voce was heard.

In all the time I was crossing the water the damage to UK farmers was rarely done in Brussels but back in Westminster where EU’s sometimes generous subsidiarity was pounced on to gold plate UK regulation and cut benefits. The old MAFF civil service was made up of ex NAAS and ADAS officers who once had mud on their boots, today DEFRA civil servants are more likely to have been seconded from the Treasury, be a member of RSPB and worse watch Countryfile. Taking back control sounds good but be careful what you wish for.

It was Margaret Thatcher who championed the single market in April 88 she said “Above all, it means a positive attitude of mind: a decision to go all out to make a success of the single market.” Potatoes were exempt from the rules of the single market and despite a hard fought battle I could not get them included. The result was the Dutch in particular were free to subsidise their industry thereby distorting our processing market by dumping product into the UK, a foretaste of what is to come with the rest of our production post Brexit.

EU Directives have a bad name but in fact they would often be better described as EU Protectives. The reason Margaret Thatcher was so keen on the single market is that it was the instrument which enabled the sweeping away of restrictive trade practises in the European Market. EU Directives were never about bent bananas but about making the single market work fairly.

Rather than emasculating the UK the EU gave us over the last 45 years the ability to influence Continental Europe, without doubt we did not fully rise to the challenge but the extent of our success is grossly underestimated. One small example, English is now the language of the EU. Getting the French to speak in our mother tongue is no minor achievement.

A small correction, though I tend (as a hardcore remainer) to agree with most of your comments. English is, along with French and German one of the three procedural languages.and the EU has (I believe at present) 24 official languages. To most Brits (I am not including you in this) there is one official language and 'foreign'. Possibly for those in Wales that's Welsh, foreign and English (AKA foreign). It is a hard-won freedom and vitally important to use and preserve linguistic diversity.

 

[czechmate]

I have only 74 years of experience. For nearly half of those years I have in one way or another been elected by my fellow farmers to represent their best interests and of course as part of the job take the blame for all the wrongs of the world. During all this time I never once heard a farmer seriously suggesting we leave the EU. There was of course plenty of grousing and in those days marching through Brussels with our less inhibited Continental farming brothers. Leaving EU means losing the solidarity and political power of our continental farming neighbours. We did not just march with them as part of COPA (Committee of Professional Agricultural Organisations) we came together to make sure our voce was heard.

In all the time I was crossing the water the damage to UK farmers was rarely done in Brussels but back in Westminster where EU’s sometimes generous subsidiarity was pounced on to gold plate UK regulation and cut benefits. The old MAFF civil service was made up of ex NAAS and ADAS officers who once had mud on their boots, today DEFRA civil servants are more likely to have been seconded from the Treasury, be a member of RSPB and worse watch Countryfile. Taking back control sounds good but be careful what you wish for.

It was Margaret Thatcher who championed the single market in April 88 she said “Above all, it means a positive attitude of mind: a decision to go all out to make a success of the single market.” Potatoes were exempt from the rules of the single market and despite a hard fought battle I could not get them included. The result was the Dutch in particular were free to subsidise their industry thereby distorting our processing market by dumping product into the UK, a foretaste of what is to come with the rest of our production post Brexit.

EU Directives have a bad name but in fact they would often be better described as EU Protectives. The reason Margaret Thatcher was so keen on the single market is that it was the instrument which enabled the sweeping away of restrictive trade practises in the European Market. EU Directives were never about bent bananas but about making the single market work fairly.

Rather than emasculating the UK the EU gave us over the last 45 years the ability to influence Continental Europe, without doubt we did not fully rise to the challenge but the extent of our success is grossly underestimated. One small example, English is now the language of the EU. Getting the French to speak in our mother tongue is no minor achievement.

It is such a pleasure to read something from someone that knows what he is talking about on here

 

[Ncap]

It is such a pleasure to read something from someone that knows what he is talking about on here

Agree 100%. And my comment about official languages was not meant to be pedantic, more directed elsewhere.

 

[Danllan]

A small correction, though I tend (as a hardcore remainer) to agree with most of your comments. English is, along with French and German one of the three procedural languages.and the EU has (I believe at present) 24 official languages. To most Brits (I am not including you in this) there is one official language and 'foreign'. Possibly for those in Wales that's Welsh, foreign and English (AKA foreign). It is a hard-won freedom and vitally important to use and preserve linguistic diversity.

True enough in re' the EU, I didn't see much point in mentioning all that. Over here in this part of West Wales, there are about 60% with Welsh at home. English is generally, but not entirely, thought of as the other 'home' language rather than foreign. Of course some will, for political reasons, say English is a foreign language and, rather astonishingly, some of them can't speak Welsh.

Returning to the subject of the precedence of languages in the EU, some may recall what was said by various EU officials following our Brexit vote... they stated, with straight faces, that they could see little reason for English to remain one of the 'select' languages once the UK had left the EU. I'll be honest enough to admit that I have no idea if this was genuine comment, said in a fit of pique or intended as a punishment of some sort - but against whom? In any case, English is the lingua franca, for an irony, both of Europe and the wider world.

 

[Ncap]

It was an adjustment of the statement. Ability to communicate and read n other languages (dead as well as living) opens the mind.

 

[Danllan]

It was an adjustment of the statement. Ability to communicate and read n other languages (dead as well as living) opens the mind.

Sed non omnia possumus omnes.

 

[Ncap]

Sed non omnia possumus omnes.

The desire to communicate and find common ground is more important than grammar. Being human helps...

 

[Ncap]

Many acquaintances are nervous about trying to speak other languages, but once they get the taste (wine, physical desire etc. can help too) the barriers seem lower

 

[Danllan]

Many acquaintances are nervous about trying to speak other languages, but once they get the taste (wine, physical desire etc. can help too) the barriers seem lower

Your inference being...? (I suspect you can feel the beating of the wings as Godwin's Law hovers, waiting )

 

[Ncap]

Not familiar with Godwin's Law

 

[Ncap]

But Google helped. I repeat what I said the ability to communicate and read in other languages opens the mind and The desire to communicate and find common ground is more important than grammar. Being human helps...

Nothing about Nazis, or politics. Just about humanity

 

[Muck Spreader]

I have only 74 years of experience. For nearly half of those years I have in one way or another been elected by my fellow farmers to represent their best interests and of course as part of the job take the blame for all the wrongs of the world. During all this time I never once heard a farmer seriously suggesting we leave the EU. There was of course plenty of grousing and in those days marching through Brussels with our less inhibited Continental farming brothers. Leaving EU means losing the solidarity and political power of our continental farming neighbours. We did not just march with them as part of COPA (Committee of Professional Agricultural Organisations) we came together to make sure our voce was heard.

In all the time I was crossing the water the damage to UK farmers was rarely done in Brussels but back in Westminster where EU’s sometimes generous subsidiarity was pounced on to gold plate UK regulation and cut benefits. The old MAFF civil service was made up of ex NAAS and ADAS officers who once had mud on their boots, today DEFRA civil servants are more likely to have been seconded from the Treasury, be a member of RSPB and worse watch Countryfile. Taking back control sounds good but be careful what you wish for.

It was Margaret Thatcher who championed the single market in April 88 she said “Above all, it means a positive attitude of mind: a decision to go all out to make a success of the single market.” Potatoes were exempt from the rules of the single market and despite a hard fought battle I could not get them included. The result was the Dutch in particular were free to subsidise their industry thereby distorting our processing market by dumping product into the UK, a foretaste of what is to come with the rest of our production post Brexit.

EU Directives have a bad name but in fact they would often be better described as EU Protectives. The reason Margaret Thatcher was so keen on the single market is that it was the instrument which enabled the sweeping away of restrictive trade practises in the European Market. EU Directives were never about bent bananas but about making the single market work fairly.

Rather than emasculating the UK the EU gave us over the last 45 years the ability to influence Continental Europe, without doubt we did not fully rise to the challenge but the extent of our success is grossly underestimated. One small example, English is now the language of the EU. Getting the French to speak in our mother tongue is no minor achievement.

An excellent resume of the situation. Back in the day I did manage speak with Mrs Thatcher on on the single market and exporting, all be it to do with education and research rather than farming and found her highly pragmatic, very much a case of what are you waiting for, go and do it. Goodness knows what she would make of the current situation.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I like winding sore lossers up
Especially now the queens joined in ,

 

[Agrivator]

Sed non omnia possumus omnes.

Virgil, in the Aeneid? We can't each expect to do everything?

 

[czechmate]

I like winding sore lossers up
Especially now the queens joined in ,

That's really quite sad

 

[Danllan]

But Google helped. I repeat what I said the ability to communicate and read in other languages opens the mind and The desire to communicate and find common ground is more important than grammar. Being human helps...

Nothing about Nazis, or politics. Just about humanity

It can open the mind, or confuse it if there is not sufficient understanding of the language in question. Putting the earlier point more bluntly: who, reading this forum, is not human?

Virgil, in the Aeneid? We can't each expect to do everything?

Yes and no, I've also heard it attributed to Horace, but my money would be on Virgil, it's more his style.

That's really quite sad

As is wishing ill on a country because it hasn't chosen the course you prefer.