Trackway request

[Jerry]

Firstly I’m talking to my agent…

Had a call today that the golf course next door want to do some work that will require access for lorry and plant over a 12 month period

It makes sense, according to them, to come in across one of my fields which is approx 200m away from the main road.

They are talking about installing a stone track across or around the field to get access.

I’ve requested an onsite meeting to discuss and already warmed up my agent so can get a proper agreement in place.

Field is currently in grass and in stewardship with a GS4 ley. Agreement ends next year.

They are offering payment up front, but as yet I don’t know what their offer will be, any thoughts on ball park numbers?

As they are a neighbour I don’t want to take the proverbial as I’d rather them see me as a good neighbour, particularly as I have some small plans about a diversification project that will be on their boundary at some point in the future.

 

[thorpe]

i think i'd tell them to do one then see where it goes. have you seen what they charge thier members?

 

[Jerry]

i think i'd tell them to do one then see where it goes. have you seen what they charge thier members?

It’s more of a pay and play course. Don’t think they have members as such.

They prob make most of their money from the bar and driving range.

 

[Nearly]

They are offering payment up front, but as yet I don’t know what their offer will be, any thoughts on ball park numbers?

Made me laugh.

£2k a month for the duration. Min 12 months.
Any wandering off the track £1k per tyremark.
Passing places. Secure gates on roadside which would stay after.

Powergrid etc would be charged double that.

Initial payment of 50% then it falls into different tax years.

Is their project £10k, £100k or £1m?

Rent them the access long term with 12 months notice to remove?

Build a barn next to the nice new track?

 

[Still Farming]

Be awkward .
Not interested?
What's their options otherwise??

 

[davidroberts30]

As they are a neighbour I don’t want to take the proverbial as I’d rather them see me as a good neighbour, particularly as I have some small plans about a diversification project that will be on their boundary at some point in the future.

might be a good time for your diversification to start.....

 

[Flatlander]

If you do agree on terms I’d for sure want the track fenced and then be paid an agreed amount for hardcore removal.
Once the work is complete trying to get a clean and tidy job done will be painful. Your fence and hard core at the end. You’ll be doing them a massive favour allowing access so get paid and your agent paid for.
If they can afford to lay the track just to gain access they can afford to make you a good neighbour

 

[tw15]

Don't forget to spec what material they have to use for track and that they have to reinstate field . It might also work out that at the the end you can get to keep the stock pile of stone for future projects that could save a fair £ in the future . Better to be a good neighbour and fair than try to get to greedy but get a agent to make sure all the legal stuff is covered as well as your costs now and and in the future if the terms are broken .

 

[Jerry]

Be awkward .
Not interested?
What's their options otherwise??

Will know more next week but suspect they will have to come across the course to get to where they want. That would mean a track 5 times as long, coming thru their main entrance. So would have significant impact on the course and their customers.

 

[Landrover]

In my dealings with golf clubs they tend to fall into 2 categories, they either have lots of money but behave like paupers or have nothing but behave like millionaires! Find out which one you dealing with first, and there's always one on the committee that thinks it belongs to them !

 

[davidroberts30]

In my dealings with golf clubs they tend to fall into 2 categories, they either have lots of money but behave like paupers or have nothing but behave like millionaires! Find out which one you dealing with first, and there's always one on the committee that thinks it belongs to them !

exactly,get them to start the diversification as a payment or part payment

 

[Still Farming]

Will know more next week but suspect they will have to come across the course to get to where they want. That would mean a track 5 times as long, coming thru their main entrance. So would have significant impact on the course and their customers.

O such a pity.
Let them stew

 

[teslacoils]

I think a bonus for me would be a nice new track the neighbours won't object to - why reinstate the field of the track is made right?

 

[serf]

Behopes the golf club doesn't come on here for a look round ...

 

[Oliveau]

A lot of ‘fek off’ responses here.
But you want to be a good neighbour, so credit to you.
It would be worth knowing the value of the project so that you could charge a % of that/as your fee. But I suspect that as a play and pay course it isn’t going to be an expensive project. So a monthly access fee, taking into account your loss of grazing.
Once the stone has been removed, undertake the reseeding yourself, with all necessary cultivations being chargeable to the golf course.
Probably more practical to go around the field than across it, making sure that it is properly professionally fenced and gated.
All negotiations and agreements to be with the course management rather than contractors. If your agent is competent at dealing with construction projects he should be able to get you a sensible deal.
I’m sorry, but I am a bit rusty now, but there is a long established principle that sets out that if access across a grantor’s land is much shorter than that across the land where work is being undertaken, the grantor would be entitled to a share of the savings. I forget for the moment what the principle is called, but your agent should be familiar with it.

 

[Jerry]

I think a bonus for me would be a nice new track the neighbours won't object to - why reinstate the field of the track is made right?

It would be a track to nowhere with no value to me at all.

 

[Jerry]

These are, I’m guessing, the two routes possible. Second one longer.

Both looking towards to golf course.

This is looking back other way

 

[Still Farming]

I think a bonus for me would be a nice new track the neighbours won't object to - why reinstate the field of the track is made right?

Planning needed for new tracks and local nimbly and Community Council will love that in that lovely countryside??

 

[Oliveau]

Planning needed for new tracks and local nimbly and Community Council will love that in that lovely countryside??

And why would the OP WANT a track that serves no useful purose to himself??

 

[bobajob]

What about those temporary track mats are they no use for hgv? Is it for doing drainage work on the golf course?