Triton Drill - design discussion

[Beefsmith]

We all know the marketing spiel they come out with is extremely questionable so let’s not let this thread descend into bashing as there’s the other one for that.
Now I’ve seen one in the flesh I kind of see the point of it and how it works. It’s very heath robinson like the original claydon drill but I think the leg design is actually quite clever.
Depth control isn’t great and seed depth is variable but then that’s no different to any tine based machine really. Certainly if you lift the back wheels clear like they advocate in poor conditions you’ve got next to no depth control. There’s no contour following as such so I doubt it would be very good on hilly ground.
I think it would benefit from a rear roller option just to seal things a bit better.
But the fact it can be used as a seedbed chitting tool and then a drill is why it’s of interest to us. What do others think?

 

[Tractor Boy]

Surely the whole reason it works in such awful conditions are because it hasn’t got a rear roller option.
I just keep coming back to the same question that if to get it to work well you carry it with the wheels up then what damage are the tractor tyres doing that is literally just being scuffed over by the seeding tines.
I haven’t looked at one close up but is the revolutionary side press tine just a covering Harrow tine?

 

[homefarm]

If I was looking for a cultivator/drill I would be looking at these.

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I am very tempted to try and get some sent over.

 

[Pigless]

We all know the marketing spiel they come out with is extremely questionable so let’s not let this thread descend into bashing as there’s the other one for that.
Now I’ve seen one in the flesh I kind of see the point of it and how it works. It’s very heath robinson like the original claydon drill but I think the leg design is actually quite clever.
Depth control isn’t great and seed depth is variable but then that’s no different to any tine based machine really. Certainly if you lift the back wheels clear like they advocate in poor conditions you’ve got next to no depth control. There’s no contour following as such so I doubt it would be very good on hilly ground.
I think it would benefit from a rear roller option just to seal things a bit better.
But the fact it can be used as a seedbed chitting tool and then a drill is why it’s of interest to us. What do others think?

I think it's best without a rear roller in wet conditions, I would have thought the wheels would be better nearer the front and running on undrilled ground which should allow a bit more contour following ability. Would like to know what the wear rates are like on legs.

 

[Spud]

We all know the marketing spiel they come out with is extremely questionable so let’s not let this thread descend into bashing as there’s the other one for that.
Now I’ve seen one in the flesh I kind of see the point of it and how it works. It’s very heath robinson like the original claydon drill but I think the leg design is actually quite clever.
Depth control isn’t great and seed depth is variable but then that’s no different to any tine based machine really. Certainly if you lift the back wheels clear like they advocate in poor conditions you’ve got next to no depth control. There’s no contour following as such so I doubt it would be very good on hilly ground.
I think it would benefit from a rear roller option just to seal things a bit better.
But the fact it can be used as a seedbed chitting tool and then a drill is why it’s of interest to us. What do others think?

I would imagine that the wearing metal is far too expensive to use the drill as a cultivator

 

[homefarm]

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According to the technotill site someone has made the above cultivator into a drill.

 

[fieldfarmer]

FarmAds | FarmAds

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According to the technotill site someone has made the above cultivator into a drill.

If you already owned a front hopper from a power harrow/ drill combo it would be a very good cultivator to convert quite easily .

 

[Vitu]

We all know the marketing spiel they come out with is extremely questionable so let’s not let this thread descend into bashing as there’s the other one for that.
Now I’ve seen one in the flesh I kind of see the point of it and how it works. It’s very heath robinson like the original claydon drill but I think the leg design is actually quite clever.
Depth control isn’t great and seed depth is variable but then that’s no different to any tine based machine really. Certainly if you lift the back wheels clear like they advocate in poor conditions you’ve got next to no depth control. There’s no contour following as such so I doubt it would be very good on hilly ground.
I think it would benefit from a rear roller option just to seal things a bit better.
But the fact it can be used as a seedbed chitting tool and then a drill is why it’s of interest to us. What do others think?

If your looking for a machine to be a cultivator and a drill. Then look at the kockerling jocky drill.
The jocky is based on the allrounder cultivator so is well suited to both jobs. plenty of farms have only one of these
To do both their cultivating and drilling. And it certainly works in the wet.

 

[Alistair Nelson]

The blade coulter idea and the closing tine idea using side pressure is brilliant but from there upwards it’s absolutely aweful. Crude design and very unimpressive and the marketing is just hilarious. If they turned the frame design and fabrication etc over to the likes of Agriweld, sumo etc and we’re more realistic with there claims I do think they are definitely onto something so far as to say I would buy at back half to run with my existing front tank but as an engineer I cannot buy the current abomination of a frame etc it’s aweful which is sad as here we have something that Is British and very clever.

 

[Clive]

The blade coulter idea and the closing tine idea using side pressure is brilliant but from there upwards it’s absolutely aweful. Crude design and very unimpressive and the marketing is just hilarious. If they turned the frame design and fabrication etc over to the likes of Agriweld, sumo etc and we’re more realistic with there claims I do think they are definitely onto something so far as to say I would buy at back half to run with my existing front tank but as an engineer I cannot buy the current abomination of a frame etc it’s aweful which is sad as here we have something that Is British and very clever.

fair summary

 

[SilliamWhale]

The blade coulter idea and the closing tine idea using side pressure is brilliant but from there upwards it’s absolutely aweful. Crude design and very unimpressive and the marketing is just hilarious. If they turned the frame design and fabrication etc over to the likes of Agriweld, sumo etc and we’re more realistic with there claims I do think they are definitely onto something so far as to say I would buy at back half to run with my existing front tank but as an engineer I cannot buy the current abomination of a frame etc it’s aweful which is sad as here we have something that Is British and very clever.

I think your being a bit harsh here. Ignore the marketing, the frame may be crude but on the flipside some say Sumo are over-engineered.

The really important thing is, is the coulter good enough for the job?

 

[Alistair Nelson]

The coulter is brilliant the tine and how the tine is mounted to the frame is shocking and wouldn’t last 10 minutes on some farms even the so called rock hopper. The depth control is part of the crude design 2 big numb wheels running out the back on what you’ve just drilled hardly earth shattering engineering. Get the wheels within the frame on uncultivated ground with a degree of contour following built into the frame even if only 2 or 3 sections floating. Yes sumo machines can be called over engineered but that is because how many times have we seen 3m trios initially launched on a 69 jd behind cat 765’s etc.

the whole thing needs more finesse and smarting up that comes from experience designing and making these sorts of things.

 

[fieldfarmer]

I've seen a video of it on youtube and there are at least 1 maybe 2 drill legs just swinging in the breeze with the shear bolt broke but he's still drilling away.

 

[Gone Shooting]

Wouldn't weavings sabre tine be better - used to have a 6m but not in adverse conditions.

 

[Billboy1]

Just seen an advert in yellow comic for these and I know there’s a long thread somewhere on here basically taking the Micky out of them , but why ! Are they really that bad the principal seems ok ?

 

[ZXR17]

You're right , the principle is ok but its the bulls**t and pure comedy claims that go with it that is the problem .
You really should read the thread , if you're having a bad day it will cheer you up no end .

 

[teslacoils]

Another reason not to read the Yellow Peril.

 

[Fuzzy]

We all know the marketing spiel they come out with is extremely questionable so let’s not let this thread descend into bashing as there’s the other one for that.
Now I’ve seen one in the flesh I kind of see the point of it and how it works. It’s very heath robinson like the original claydon drill but I think the leg design is actually quite clever.
Depth control isn’t great and seed depth is variable but then that’s no different to any tine based machine really. Certainly if you lift the back wheels clear like they advocate in poor conditions you’ve got next to no depth control. There’s no contour following as such so I doubt it would be very good on hilly ground.
I think it would benefit from a rear roller option just to seal things a bit better.
But the fact it can be used as a seedbed chitting tool and then a drill is why it’s of interest to us. What do others think?

I guess the drill has a switch on it somewhere, one minute it is a blackgrass chitting tool, the next a drill that reduces blackgrass by 1000% without the need for herbicides.
I am finding as i move more of the farm into DD less passes is better. But in your case if several passes is what will work on your farm conventional discs or tines will be cheaper to run and you probably already have those. The big question with these type of drills is, just because you can drill into mud in November or December.... Is that what you REALLY want to do ?

 

[Deutzdx3]

If you could move the wheels to the front, add in a roller like the kockerling roller which is c section rolled outwards to fill with mud and not block up, you would have a pretty decent chance of depth control. Horsch run a similar set up with their drill as do kockerling their selfs.

Had a look at the patent on the design of the leg. Is it such a great design others are going to copy it. I doubt it very much. If it works on heavy land and helps it drain a little more then great. It’ll suit certain applications.

 

[clbarclay]

Just having a couple of wheels set in among the tines can work plenty well enough. That is all I have on my 3.4m tine drill. The wheels on that thought a deliberately placed so that they run on undisturbed ground in front of a tine and I am not trying to move lots of soil or throw it about at high speed. Not ideal where the ground is not very level, but then nothing is perfect, short of moving a lot of soil until it is level.