What Price Per Acre For Mowing Grass On PP

[Frank-the-Wool]

As above but this is on tired PP which has some thistles. Can put fertilizer on but amounts only around 30 units to the acre. The land is probably short of lime so response to fertilizer may not be great. Seventy acres in total but in ten small fields. Land is completely bare at present.

 

[Al R]

How many sheep/acre will it hold for the year? Base that x £20-25. How close is it etc etc

 

[unlacedgecko]

As above but this is on tired PP which has some thistles. Can put fertilizer on but amounts only around 30 units to the acre. The land is probably short of lime so response to fertilizer may not be great. Seventy acres in total but in ten small fields. Land is completely bare at present.

For free to keep it tidy

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

How many sheep/acre will it hold for the year? Base that x £20-25. How close is it etc etc

Not sure that is a good calculation to use as it will keep over 200 sheep in the summer and a hundred in the winter if it doesn't get too wet. It will eventually grow a hay crop with a little fertilizer but won't want another drought like last year.
If Hay is as expensive this year and it could yield say 6 round bales to the acre or 400 total then it must be worth more than for free!!

 

[unlacedgecko]

Lots of hay ground round me going for £0-40/acre. Local demand and if you're buying or selling.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Sounds like you should be charging, tiny fields, possibly rough grass and thistles in your grass/hay as well. Fudging bargain. 70 acres x £25 please, I don't mind, cash or cheque. Seriously, sounds like a PITA.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

just one cut nothing after ?

 

[Nithsdale]

Lots of hay ground round me going for £0-40/acre. Local demand and if you're buying or selling.

If you can use a mower on the ground here you're talking £100+... some I know goes for £250/acre (the dairy boys push trade). Subs and fert make not much difference to the price

 

[deleted user 837354]

If you can use a mower on the ground here you're talking £100+... some I know goes for £250/acre (the dairy boys push trade). Subs and fert make not much difference to the price

Similar around these parts.

 

[JP1]

If you can use a mower on the ground here you're talking £100+... some I know goes for £250/acre (the dairy boys push trade). Subs and fert make not much difference to the price

Crazy money. Glad I keep proper cows but down here in the South

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

just one cut nothing after ?

Derrick this old cold Wealden clay ground which will grow grass slowly. So laid in now it will be a hay cut in mid July at the earliest! Then followed by our summer drought might be able to graze a few lambs in late August if we get a thunderstorm!!

 

[MDL POWERUP]

If it grows grass that slowly and you can't put much on surely taking a cut will only worsen the soil indices further? Plus what does grow might not be any good

 

[digger64]

As above but this is on tired PP which has some thistles. Can put fertilizer on but amounts only around 30 units to the acre. The land is probably short of lime so response to fertilizer may not be great. Seventy acres in total but in ten small fields. Land is completely bare at present.

price it per bale got , more inputs - more bales , soon makes them realise the economic costs versus the income of the restrictive schemes .

 

[Skintagain]

price it per bale got , more inputs - more bales , soon makes them realise the economic costs versus the income of the restrictive schemes .

This is always the fairest way in jobs like this. Based your price on putting 30 units on and wind em down tight lol

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

price it per bale got , more inputs - more bales , soon makes them realise the economic costs versus the income of the restrictive schemes .

Yes very good suggestion but how do you agree a per bale value in this situation?
What would the per acre cost of getting the hay into round bales hoping for reasonable weather conditions and so applying the fertilizer, mowing, turning twice, rowing up and baling?
Mowing at £14.00 per acre.
Tedding x 2 at £8.00
Raking at £8.00
Fertilizer spreading at £5.00
Fertilizer at £14.00 (compound)
Baling at 5 to the acre £20.00
My fag packet calculation makes this almost £80.00 per acre at 5 round bales to the acre.
So at £20.00 per bale on the field this makes the ground worth £20.00 an acre?

Bearing in mind I have to transport the bales 10 miles, is my £20 value on the field too high?

Or do the experts disagree?

 

[deleted user 837354]

This still sounds like a piece of land that wants topping and to be kept tidy but owner doesn't want to pay for it type scheme to me....

 

[blackisleboy]

Bearing in mind I have to transport the bales 10 miles, is my £20 value on the field too high?

Or do the experts disagree?

Work the other way. How much value can you add to what the costs of taking this on are.
Your figures above (£80 per acre) for 70 acres have risk cost of £5600 plus whatever rent you decide to pay, so at £20 per acre takes total cost to £7000. What return would you expect on that £7000. How many days work would it take, and at what cost in time to your core business.

My view, leave it well alone and look for something which is closer, easier and not so risky to obtain a decent profit margin.

 

[Will Blackburn]

Yes very good suggestion but how do you agree a per bale value in this situation?
What would the per acre cost of getting the hay into round bales hoping for reasonable weather conditions and so applying the fertilizer, mowing, turning twice, rowing up and baling?
Mowing at £14.00 per acre.
Tedding x 2 at £8.00
Raking at £8.00
Fertilizer spreading at £5.00
Fertilizer at £14.00 (compound)
Baling at 5 to the acre £20.00
My fag packet calculation makes this almost £80.00 per acre at 5 round bales to the acre.
So at £20.00 per bale on the field this makes the ground worth £20.00 an acre?

Bearing in mind I have to transport the bales 10 miles, is my £20 value on the field too high?

Or do the experts disagree?

Might do better putting a tonne of lime on instead of the fert.

 

[digger64]

Yes very good suggestion but how do you agree a per bale value in this situation?
What would the per acre cost of getting the hay into round bales hoping for reasonable weather conditions and so applying the fertilizer, mowing, turning twice, rowing up and baling?
Mowing at £14.00 per acre.
Tedding x 2 at £8.00
Raking at £8.00
Fertilizer spreading at £5.00
Fertilizer at £14.00 (compound)
Baling at 5 to the acre £20.00
My fag packet calculation makes this almost £80.00 per acre at 5 round bales to the acre.
So at £20.00 per bale on the field this makes the ground worth £20.00 an acre?

Bearing in mind I have to transport the bales 10 miles, is my £20 value on the field too high?

Or do the experts disagree?

Only you can decide, but dont think you are far out in your way of budgeting , you could cost a potential normal crop then divide per bale plus the extra work costs of a lower yield per ton of dm , to get a value to you per bale .
I never have been able to see how getting a payment that effectively shuts doors,creates obligations ,devalues the asset value and reduces output by say 65% is attractive to anyone really , but I thought
you personally in previous posts historically , liked this type of environment / payment / income
scenario operate in TBH .
Alot seem to see it as money for old rope though and seem to want head in that direction .

 

[digger64]

This still sounds like a piece of land that wants topping and to be kept tidy but owner doesn't want to pay for it type scheme to me....

fencing and high stock prices probably have something to do with it