Who thinks this up?

[Bald Rick]

I really do despair at some of the thinking that goes on in the corridors of power.

Who remembers Tony Blair’s pledge to march wrongdoers to cashpoints to stump up their £50 antisocial fines?

Well now our Dear Leader is proposing fines for not quarantining starting at £1000 then rising to £10,000 for a repeat offence.
At best guess, most offenders won’t have £1k in readies ....

Makes them look (& sound) stupid.

 

[Henarar]

won't it just put folk off getting a test
perhaps that is the idea

 

[The Agrarian]

Exactly. If you want to keep going about your business, don't get a test, don't let any of your family members get a test, don't carry the tracing app, and if possible don't go to an event where your presence has been identified.

 

[Ashtree]

Spread the virus! Why not?

 

[The Agrarian]

Or alternatively, maintain sensible social distancing, be particularly careful of who you mix with and where you go if you think you have symptoms. And let people know you think you've been in close contact with if this happens. Like Sweden. Seems to be working for them. Otherwise, keep calm and be sensibly British about it. Or should that read Swedish...

 

[Muck Spreader]

Or alternatively, maintain sensible social distancing, be particularly careful of who you mix with and where you go if you think you have symptoms. And let people know you think you've been in close contact with if this happens. Like Sweden. Seems to be working for them. Otherwise, keep calm and be sensibly British about it. Or should that read Swedish...

Why do people keep holding up Sweden as a role model, when it has the second highest death rate per million inhabitants in the world after the US.

 

[The Agrarian]

Because their rate is just more advanced in time than some others? Right now there isn't much happening. They would point you to the long run, where they don't think they will be any worse off on deaths, but haven't jiggered their economy with low productivity and debt.

 

[kiwi pom]

I really do despair at some of the thinking that goes on in the corridors of power.

Who remembers Tony Blair’s pledge to march wrongdoers to cashpoints to stump up their £50 antisocial fines?

Well now our Dear Leader is proposing fines for not quarantining starting at £1000 then rising to £10,000 for a repeat offence.
At best guess, most offenders won’t have £1k in readies ....

Makes them look (& sound) stupid.

Could be worse, test positive here and as far as I can tell, you and your close contacts are taken to a guarded quarantine facility until you test negative.

 

[betweenthelines]

I think the current govt messages are setting it up for the next lockdown to be blamed on people ignoring the "rules"

 

[Lowland1]

Why do people keep holding up Sweden as a role model, when it has the second highest death rate per million inhabitants in the world after the US.

That’s not right Sweden has had 5865 deaths out 10.3 million population a death rate of 0.00057 the UK has had 41778 deaths out of 66 million population a death rate of 0.00063 and the USA 204,224 out of a population of 328 million a death rate of 0.00062. Brazil tops the lot as of today with 136,997 deaths out of a population of 209 million a death rate of 0.00066.

 

[Muck Spreader]

That’s not right Sweden has had 5865 deaths out 10.3 million population a death rate of 0.00057 the UK has had 41778 deaths out of 66 million population a death rate of 0.00063 and the USA 204,224 out of a population of 328 million a death rate of 0.00062. Brazil tops the lot as of today with 136,997 deaths out of a population of 209 million a death rate of 0.00066.

These maybe a week or two out of date I don't know.
World Health Organization COVID-19 death rates per million.

Country	Deaths/million
United States	597.07
Brazil	634.81
Sweden	580.64
Norway	49.07
Finland	61.18
Denmark	109.6

 

[Lowland1]

These maybe a week or two out of date I don't know.
World Health Organization COVID-19 death rates per million.

Country	Deaths/million
United States	597.07
Brazil	634.81
Sweden	580.64
Norway	49.07
Finland	61.18
Denmark	109.6

Death rates in the States and Brazil have continued at a high level Sweden 0 as of yesterday and U.K fairly low too 18 yesterday

 

[Exfarmer]

Perhaps you should look at Norway before claiming Sweden is the saviour

 

[Lowland1]

Sweden is no ones savìour it is a good example of how a country is able to function sensibly and relatively normally through all of this.

 

[robs1]

The only way we will know is when covid is reduced to a normal Corona virus, either by herd immunity or vaccine, if a vaccine comes early say by Jan Sweden might end up with more deaths than most countries, if it doesnt then sweden may well end up average without the economic destruction. Countries have made a decision, hindsight will judge them but that's unfair in my view

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

These maybe a week or two out of date I don't know.
World Health Organization COVID-19 death rates per million.

Country	Deaths/million
United States	597.07
Brazil	634.81
Sweden	580.64
Norway	49.07
Finland	61.18
Denmark	109.6

It's not as simple as just looking at deaths directly attributed to covid, or those who die with the virus. What about all the deaths occurring and still to come due to lockdown measures? Tens of thousands of cancers are going undetected in the UK thanks to the NHS being so 'protected' through lockdown that people are either scared to go to hospital or can't get treatment. Untreated cardiovascular conditions which may prove to be fatal are similarly numerous, mental health problems are increasing, 8 million people have drunk themselves stupid and are now problem drinkers, obesity levels continue to rise etc.

I'm willing to put money on tanking the economy and creating fear through the lockdown 'cure' ultimately proving to be worse than the virus for the number of deaths caused and lives ruined but it will take a good year or so to get the final scores sorted.

 

[The Agrarian]

Agree, but it will take far longer. The repercussions will be long lasting.

 

[czechmate]

It's not as simple as just looking at deaths directly attributed to covid, or those who die with the virus. What about all the deaths occurring and still to come due to lockdown measures? Tens of thousands of cancers are going undetected in the UK thanks to the NHS being so 'protected' through lockdown that people are either scared to go to hospital or can't get treatment. Untreated cardiovascular conditions which may prove to be fatal are similarly numerous, mental health problems are increasing, 8 million people have drunk themselves stupid and are now problem drinkers, obesity levels continue to rise etc.

I'm willing to put money on tanking the economy and creating fear through the lockdown 'cure' ultimately proving to be worse than the virus for the number of deaths caused and lives ruined but it will take a good year or so to get the final scores sorted.

Well, if it’s true that “obesity levels continue to rise”, then that just proves how stupid people are

 

[Lowland1]

Well, if it’s true that “obesity levels continue to rise”, then that just proves how stupid people are

Obviously some people are stupid because they eat too much or smoke or drink more than they should how much of what the NHS has to put up with is self inflicted or at least with a little common sense could be eradicated or delayed. When my Dad was in hospital last year every time I went in there would be people usually overweight attached to drips smoking away at the entrance ( they should have been attached to oxygen) The NHS is like having free car care or the like you don’t fill your petrol car with diesel then expect a garage to fix it for free or don’t check your oil and water because when you blow up your engine you get a new one free. But that’s the job of the beloved NHS do what you like with your body because the NHS will put you together again.

 

[czechmate]

Obviously some people are stupid because they eat too much or smoke or drink more than they should how much of what the NHS has to put up with is self inflicted or at least with a little common sense could be eradicated or delayed. When my Dad was in hospital last year every time I went in there would be people usually overweight attached to drips smoking away at the entrance ( they should have been attached to oxygen) The NHS is like having free car care or the like you don’t fill your petrol car with diesel then expect a garage to fix it for free or don’t check your oil and water because when you blow up your engine you get a new one free. But that’s the job of the beloved NHS do what you like with your body because the NHS will put you together again.

Yep, absolutely.
I was just thinking if ever there was a time to watch your weight, it must be now.