AI Bulls
- Thread starter sjewart
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- Perthshire, Scotland
Can’t like that! Hope your heifers and calves are doing ok. Heard of several cases like yours with both Jet and his father, Eravelle
Holsteinfriesian90
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- Cornwall
Really! Quite surprised at that thought they are easy calving bulls?
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- Perthshire, Scotland
That what I thought too, also what the farmers involved in those cases thought when buying straws specifically for heifers
Haydn Lloyd
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Wouldn't put jet near any heifers with any blue in them. If not blue normally ok.
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- Perthshire, Scotland
One of the guys that I know had issues with eravelle in pedigree limmy heifers
Haydn Lloyd
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As an Ai tech I'm only quoting what I seen with jet not eravelle. Not always the bull could be narrow pelvis if a good muscle line in cows or heifers it's always a tough one
I've just had the latest Cogent catalogue as I'm looking for straws to put on heifers this year, as they are by our stock bull. Wasn't that impressed with what they have to offer - the good looking bulls have poor calving figures and comments above have put me off Jet. They have got one new bull Elite Lacette, a son of Foreman who looks fairly tidy. Everything was on special offer apparently, £10, apart from Lacette.
From Genus, well I'm not keen on Hamlet, seen to many small stubby calves by him, might think about Emslies Galileo. There's also a tidy bull on Semenstore called Ampertaine Metric - a son of Jamboree who sold to Ronick for 45,000 - he's got good calving figures and looks very shapey with good length. I've got a couple of straws of Hawk in the flask but won't be enough for everything, been using him on and off for over 20 years and is always reliable for calving.
From Genus, well I'm not keen on Hamlet, seen to many small stubby calves by him, might think about Emslies Galileo. There's also a tidy bull on Semenstore called Ampertaine Metric - a son of Jamboree who sold to Ronick for 45,000 - he's got good calving figures and looks very shapey with good length. I've got a couple of straws of Hawk in the flask but won't be enough for everything, been using him on and off for over 20 years and is always reliable for calving.
muleman
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Would Jackpot or Lorenzo not do a job?
AGN76
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- north Wales
I don't think you'll go wrong with Galileo, we use Conan on heifers and then Galileo for second calf. They always put shape on.
AGN76
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- north Wales
Is it worth DNA testing one to make sure they are Jet?
choochter
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- aberdeenshire
In my experience it's the Birthweight ebv you've to watch.
And I've had 2 overdue big bull calves out of heifers to eravelle and wouldn't use him again on heifers.
And I've also got 2 eravelle sired heifers (out of cows) in the herd who calved themselves and are great mums, milky and very quiet.
I've used Normande Tuscan on heifers ok and they are very good calves
https://www.taurusdata.co.uk/beef/animalmanager/animaldetails?id=1498133
And this Bazadaise bull is good on heifers - I have 2 daughters of his in the breeding herd now & very pleased with them
http://www.bazadaise.org.uk/imprevu.html
And I've had 2 overdue big bull calves out of heifers to eravelle and wouldn't use him again on heifers.
And I've also got 2 eravelle sired heifers (out of cows) in the herd who calved themselves and are great mums, milky and very quiet.
I've used Normande Tuscan on heifers ok and they are very good calves
https://www.taurusdata.co.uk/beef/animalmanager/animaldetails?id=1498133
And this Bazadaise bull is good on heifers - I have 2 daughters of his in the breeding herd now & very pleased with them
http://www.bazadaise.org.uk/imprevu.html
bob_01
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Ive had a shed load of eravelle calves and they are tiny, all my straws are saved for 1st time calving ped blue or limousin heifers. In my experience they are the same size as the conan calves but born alot earlier. My only criticism of eravelle is that the calves end up a tad shorter than other limousin bulls.
Could u b feeding something that’s making the calf grow big? 7 from 15 is a lot Jets calfs for me hadn’t enough quality. Iv heard of men using Lorenzo on heifers with no trouble, I personally wouldn’t with him being a jacot son. Cloughhead umpire has quality calfs and easy born
AGN76
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- north Wales
30 heifers and 80 cows all served to Jet? That's alot of eggs to put in one basket.
It's for heifers so was a bit afraid they'd be hard calving, especially with Jacot in both their pedigrees.
Would you use Galileo on heifers? (For me any Lim should be useable on heifers but unfortunately too many breeders have gone in the wrong direction.) I remember Harry had a half sister in the Royal Welsh a few years ago - one of the best heifers I've ever seen!
AGN76
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- north Wales
I would yes, and I'm sure plenty do
Woolless
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- Berwickshire, Scottish Borders
A genuine question, no criticism intended: Why chance a Limmy bull on these heifers? Would a proven easy calving AA or similar not be a better bet? Eliminate risk of bad calving/Caesar/dead calf as much as possible? I can almost understand it for pedigrees but commercial heifers have the rest of their lives to breed a fancy calf.
Good point [emoji106] An ai tech told me 1 time the hardest calving bull they had on their books was AA although on paper he was the opposite. Can’t remember the name now. But he had to b an exception?!