muleman
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We`ve got heifers in calf to lorenzo and hamlet so i will let you know how we get on!
AI Bulls
- Thread starter sjewart
- Start date
- Location
- Cumbria
I have a heap of straws in store by an Umpire grandson, very easy calving but grow into good calves in days. Will sell some if anyone is interested.
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Aspiring Peasant
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- Location
- Northern Pennines
This was the "conventional wisdom" I was told when we started keeping cows 7 years ago. We calved about 20 heifers, some AI'd to Limousin and some to AA and later some served by my own Limi bull. I had to help more of the AA's than the Limis. We therefore stick to Limis now, get a more valuable calf and touch wood little bother. Have used Conan, Galileo and Hamlet.
Woolless
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- Location
- Berwickshire, Scottish Borders
You would have thought so. A proven, calving-surveyed bull with good EBVs would be belt and braces?
Aberdeen Angus?! Nooo!! My dad would be turning in his grave! There's only been a Lim bull here since 1976. Actually, seriously, they are pedigrees and should be fine to the right bull. I think purebreds have less calving problems than crossbreds.
It's usually the stock bull who serves the heifers but he's on his fourth season and he's got daughters coming through. His first daughters went to Ronick Hawk but I've only 2 straws left now so need an alternative. I've used Greensons Howlett, a polled Lim, previously but their conformation isn't too good.
Umpire was a very good bull. Could you pm me the name and/or herd book number of the bull and how much you want for straws.
AGN76
Member
- Location
- north Wales
And me please @Bill the Bass
- Location
- Cumbria
PM sent. Thanks for the tag.
- Location
- Perthshire, Scotland
Me too I’m as curious as everyone
sjewart
Member
Can I ask between Conan, Galileo and Hamlet which do you prefer for heifers? I have experience with Lodge Hamlet but not the other two.
Best confirmation and ease of calving?
AGN76
Member
- Location
- north Wales
I don't think there is much between them for conformation, Conan by a long way for calving ease IME.
sjewart
Member
Thanks!
Aspiring Peasant
Member
- Location
- Northern Pennines
I would say Conan is ideal for heifers, easy calving but good calves
sjewart
Member
Will check if Genus stocks them.
AGN76
Member
- Location
- north Wales
Best of luck!! It's Like rocking horse sh1t!
They're also the same bloodline - Conan's father Objat is also grandsire to Galileo, while Objat's brother half Jacot is grandfather to Hamlet (as well as Netherhall Jackpot and father to Mereside Lorenzo)!
2 Estermate programme
Day 0 = cidr in + 2.5mls Receptal.
Day 7 = Remove cidr + 2mls Estermate.
Day 8 = 2mls Estermate.
Day 9 = 2.5mls Receptal.
Day 10 = Fixed ai.
Any1 tried this program? I started it on 27 March. 1 cow showing no signs of heat at all apart from slime on her tail this morning. No sweat or jumping. Should have ai’d last night but the ai man thought it could be a wasted straw
Day 0 = cidr in + 2.5mls Receptal.
Day 7 = Remove cidr + 2mls Estermate.
Day 8 = 2mls Estermate.
Day 9 = 2.5mls Receptal.
Day 10 = Fixed ai.
Any1 tried this program? I started it on 27 March. 1 cow showing no signs of heat at all apart from slime on her tail this morning. No sweat or jumping. Should have ai’d last night but the ai man thought it could be a wasted straw
- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Not with double estrumate and would question the value of it. It’s a pretty standard protocol without the day 8 PG. Always serve of the back of it even if the AI man isn’t happy. Remember you are synchronising the egg to ovulate rather than necessary the cow to come bulling if that makes sense. A fair portion of cows with no obvious signs will hold to this. AI man don’t like these as they tend of have a lower conception rate but benefit for you is 100% submission rate and higher preg rate.
Are you using this for blanket synchs or problem cows?