its time this environmental reasons rubbish was dismissed for the crock of sh!t it is but has the lie has been told to many times ?
Vegan threat? what vegan threat?
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To be fair like, the real thing tends to come with a lot of baggage.
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It kind of feels like criticism of the livestock industry by vegans and vegan groups is one of the major threats to the industry, perhaps the major one that isn’t brexit related.
Vegans may be a small minority, but they appear to be very vocal and some vegan interest groups are exceedingly well funded, organised and media-savvy.
I think the threat comes from the way vegans (I presume) appear to be organised to bombard perfectly reasonable social media posts with massively negative comments, and if Facebook is now taking a dim view of livestock enterprises then that’s not a good sign. I know of folks in the livestock and meat businesses who have withdrawn from social media because of the orchestrated abuse directed at them, and also because of the threat of physical intimidation (farm pickets etc).
For a percent or two of the population, there always seems to be a massively disproportionate number of stories about veganism going about.
There’s also a lot of virtue signalling by celebs and food companies etc that doesn’t help (I never imagined shreddies contained meat or dairy anyway -why make a big deal of it?)
There’s the whole climate crisis too to feed into the condemnation of farmers; even the bbc never wastes an opportunity to link any climate story to red meat killing the planet. I think this is all tremendously unfair on probably the majority of uk farmers; we’ve always been fairly extensive farmers- long term leys with the express intention of preserving and increasing soil organic matter but it’s pointless trying to argue about it on social media- the argument is nuanced but most of the abuse meted out online is not. It is sensational and catchy though.
I took my 4year old to see Dippy the dinosaur the other week- just an empty room with the skeleton and a few posters/projections on the back wall. Weirdly out of the relatively few bits of data presented, there were two ‘facts’ telling visitors that meat and/or dairy are killing the planet!!!???
So I think this is building into a movement that effectively stifles opposing views in the mainstream and particularly social media. I suspect the impact will be greatest on the young (the most prolific users of social media). The aim is clearly to continually give and reinforce the message that meat/dairy is wrong and if young and impressionable people are told something often enough they probably will end up believing it. I hope I’m wrong, but you can kind of see meat eating heading into the same sort of acceptability category as cigarette smoking or drink driving.
Eat - Lancet is funded by Unilever , Bayer & Nestle !!!
beltbreaker
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Conspiracy theory 1
Collusion by the government with the big killing houses to keep the price of meat down in a post Brexit Britain. Reducing the rate of inflation
£ on its arse so prices should be up
Conspiracy No.2
Release of frozen meat from chills from the March 29 deadline forcing price of meat down, price will rise substantially in the next few weeks
Conspiracy 3
Oversupply due to the food early summer and a large number of animals are born and finished at the same time
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Well said Nick
Steevo
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...........not to mention the number of trees we humans have cut down across the planet, and the number of fields, hedges and plants that have been tarmaced over or covered with houses.
Oh, and then the increasing population also wants to eat more meat, milk and cheese.
Can't really blame the cows for that...!
Oh, and then the increasing population also wants to eat more meat, milk and cheese.
Can't really blame the cows for that...!
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The worst I read, but haven’t yet been able to verify, is that somewhere around a third of all clothes/ fashion is only worn once before being landfilled. Apparently fashion is a huge contributor to our collective environmental damage
Steevo
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Like food, plenty is also binned before even being seen by a customer.
Vegans now claiming that ‘stuffing the turkey’ to be sexual assault.
Just when you thought Vegans couldn’t be more ‘ate up’ with their ideologies they come out with another ridiculous claim.
wokennews.com
it seems livestock farming is an easy scapegoat or scapecow as the case may be
something to blame while folk carry on with their throw away lifestyle, drive where they want fly where they want and so on
yes livestock farming produces emissions, I am about to go as start the tractor and burn some fossil fuel but probably not as much pollution as many will make today doing totally unesasery things
something to blame while folk carry on with their throw away lifestyle, drive where they want fly where they want and so on
yes livestock farming produces emissions, I am about to go as start the tractor and burn some fossil fuel but probably not as much pollution as many will make today doing totally unesasery things
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You only have to drive around the south of the uk, there are more cars on the motorway than cows in the whole of the uk (I could hardly see any cows on a 1500 mile road trip) then just spend a day in the flightpath for Heathrow...... cows aren’t the problem!
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Wow, PC brigade Peta.
AGN76
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Are there actually any Vegans in North Wales? Its carnivore central isnt it?!
Happy hillbily
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I think there were two inside the kiosk 
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Plant-based diet can fight climate change - UN https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49238749
And now the UN are banging the drum. Do they not realise the amount of energy it takes to grow green crops? One of the problems with mankind is that we don’t burn enough calories these days as too many of us drive everywhere. Shanks’s pony seems to be out of fashion apart from those living in inner cities. I have nothing against veganism but let’s have a balanced debate for goodness sake
And now the UN are banging the drum. Do they not realise the amount of energy it takes to grow green crops? One of the problems with mankind is that we don’t burn enough calories these days as too many of us drive everywhere. Shanks’s pony seems to be out of fashion apart from those living in inner cities. I have nothing against veganism but let’s have a balanced debate for goodness sake
There is a report by the European Food Agency posted on here by someone?? Which states they are very worried that the UN had been infiltrated by Eat - Lancet backed by large companies- Uniliver, Nestle, Bayer etc trying to influence the way we eat.
Those Big companies don't make a lot out of small grass fed beef producers .
