So much for market forces......

Chae1 · Aug 16, 2019

Subsidies aren't the answer in my opinion. Its obvious to our customers/supplier and they just factor it in to buying price.

Would rather just get fair price for what we're producing.

Farmer Roy · Aug 16, 2019

Do you EVER stop whinging & complaining about how tough it is ?

If it's REALLY that bad, why don't you cash it all in, get another job, invest your money elsewhere, emigrate, or run for politics ?

Canada Farmer · Aug 16, 2019

kiwi pom said:
So maybe sell up and go and buy a farm over there?

I thought a lot of Irish farmers had jobs off farm and farmed in their spare time?

Or better still buy a farm in New Zealand, eh

Clive · Aug 16, 2019

I would rather my tax went to the NHS than a Scottish land owner thanks

Me and pretty most other voters would agree I think so thats what those MP guys that they elect will do

stop moaning, you are better off than most people and you don't HAVE to farm if you cant make it stack up then sell up !

Clive · Aug 16, 2019

Farmer Roy said:
Do you EVER stop whinging & complaining about how tough it is ?

If it's REALLY that bad, why don't you cash it all in, get another job, invest your money elsewhere, emigrate, or run for politics ?

the usual route is to get a NFU job I believe ?

DrWazzock · Aug 16, 2019

Why wasn't I tagged? I fell left out, excluded and am probably on ignore but I don't care.

Where there is scheme there is a schemer. Subsidies are a bit like hitting the bottle in bad times. Masks the problems but they are still there when you sober up.

Subsidies end up soaked up by input cost inflation and land price rises anyway. They are a cop out.

marcot · Aug 16, 2019

Clive said:
I would rather my tax went to the NHS than a Scottish land owner thanks

Me and pretty my most other voters would agree I think

stop moaning, you are better off than most people and you don't HAVE to farm if you cant make it stack up then sell up !

Well you've just started a party at NFU headquarters...I imagine a securicor truck is now winging it's way to Staffordshire as we speak ...

farmerm · Aug 16, 2019

Forage Trader said:
So we are better out of the EU then as in it you have no control over Irish Beef imports
Time to make some noise

Inside or outside the EU you, me or any other British farmer has no control over Irish beef imports, American beef imports, Argentinean beef imports.... Make all the noise you like, cheap food wins more votes than healthy farm incomes.

Clive · Aug 16, 2019

DrWazzock said:
Why wasn't I tagged? I fell left out, excluded and am probably on ignore but I don't care.

Where there is scheme there is a schemer. Subsidies are a bit like hitting the bottle in bad times. Masks the problems but they are still there when you sober up.

Subsidies end up soaked up by input cost inflation and land price rises anyway. They are a cop out.

and i'm yet to see any evidence they make farmers any better off

We have subs now .......... anyone claim to have been making a fortune ??

Farmer Roy · Aug 16, 2019

Clive said:
I would rather my tax went to the NHS than a Scottish land owner thanks

Me and pretty most other voters would agree I think so thats what those MP guys that they elect will do

stop moaning, you are better off than most people and you don't HAVE to farm if you cant make it stack up then sell up !

I seem to have shut down the Scottish Harvest disaster thread with only a couple of posts . . .

Canada Farmer · Aug 16, 2019

Farmer Roy said:
Do you EVER stop whinging & complaining about how tough it is ?

If it's REALLY that bad, why don't you cash it all in, get another job, invest your money elsewhere, emigrate, or run for politics ?

Nearly as funny as the flat white debacle we had a week ago, an OAP on the sherry letting loose on facebook/internet.....

?

Clive · Aug 16, 2019

marcot said:
Well you've just started a party at NFU headquarters...I imagine a securicor truck is now winging it's way to Staffordshire as we speak ...

they have plenty of cash to party - £20 plus million wage bill last year in latest published accounts , up £2 million form the previous year I note .......... anyone notice £2m worth of improvement over the last 12months ??

roscoe erf · Aug 16, 2019

7610 super q said:
I'm going to tag myself, I feel left out...
@7610 super q

I did @woodworm farmer

marcot · Aug 16, 2019

7610 super q said:
I'm going to tag myself, I feel left out...
@7610 super q

Yes we definitely need a comment about 10th Century prices with 24th Century costs [emoji3]

Derrick Hughes · Aug 16, 2019

Bossfarmer said:
Not if the uk gov scraps the support while the EU continue to get theirs and irish increase theirs to take over our market

The only support you will get from anyone in the future is an environmental payment . What the Irish do privately is up to them but inside of the EU you have no way of stopping their beef coming in , I would sooner have a go at stopping it by putting pressure on our own government directly which we will be able to do in a few months along with some tractors blocking the port entrance

Farmer Roy · Aug 16, 2019

EVERY ONE has options you know

You don't have to remain as second class peasants relying on government hand outs

You DO have choices you know . . .
Far more than most people do

Whitepeak · Aug 16, 2019

I think one reason for the Irish beef payouts is the fact that, particularly in the west of Ireland, whole communities rely on the cow for an income. Just think how many people make a living off the back of a cow. And those communities don't have any other income stream, not like around me where we have tourism, quarrying and are in prime commuter belt for Manchester, Sheffield etc. Get rid of cows in the west of Ireland and the place will be deserted, get rid of the cows in the Peak District and it just makes more space for tourists and 2nd home buyers!
This will be how the Irish government are justifying it, they are subsidising the rural community not the individual beef farmer.

Derrick Hughes · Aug 16, 2019

Whitepeak said:
I think one reason for the Irish beef payouts is the fact that, particularly in the west of Ireland, whole communities rely on the cow for an income. Just think how many people make a living off the back of a cow. And those communities don't have any other income stream, not like around me where we have tourism, quarrying and are in prime commuter belt for Manchester, Sheffield etc. Get rid of cows in the west of Ireland and the place will be deserted, get rid of the cows in the Peak District and it just makes more space for tourists and 2nd home buyers!
This will be how the Irish government are justifying it, they are subsidising the rural community not the individual beef farmer.

And our farmers have had to adapt because they have been screwed for years
Our communities are dead . Gone finished . Look in the villages in West Wales . No shops no schools no pubs .

Whitepeak · Aug 16, 2019

Forage Trader said:
And our farmers have had to adapt because they have been screwed for years

Isn't that what all businesses need to do, adapt and survive? If you stand still you go backwards!

Yale · Aug 16, 2019

I’m just going to get myself a dog and a stick and call myself a holistic farmer........joking!

So much for market forces......

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