that great - sit back, watch your competition go bust and then you can make the fortune you clearly deserve
what are you worrying about this pesky Irish guys for !!
So much for market forces......
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that great - sit back, watch your competition go bust and then you can make the fortune you clearly deserve
what are you worrying about this pesky Irish guys for !!
I appreciate we get 1970's prices for our produce, and farm assurance puts us at a disadvantage, but I would have thought this year the main beef production costs would be pretty low ? I've seen silage/ haylage on FB for £15-20 / bale, why bother making it, when you can buy it so cheap ?
Not knocking BTW, just curious.
Bossfarmer
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why would i want to see everyone go bust only to be replaced with Irish imports, id rather see a thriving and profitable industry here and the country produce its own beef
Bossfarmer
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fert, diesel, machinery, labour etc etc? labour is the biggest killer all our suppliers must pay min wage of near £9/hr so in turn must charge more than they did in the 1970s a lot of folk dont understand this and just blame cost increases on subs
The sub payment is so erratic in Wales, I always put it to one side, and never count it as part of farm profits.
I would suggest buying fodder off FB, thus saving your fert / diesel cost. Let some other mug produce it for less than COP.
I think we all need to get off the new tractor / machinery treadmill.
I would suggest buying fodder off FB, thus saving your fert / diesel cost. Let some other mug produce it for less than COP.
I think we all need to get off the new tractor / machinery treadmill.
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There's a treadmill?
Sounds jolly, how do I get into this elitist club where I actually get to pay to produce beef for a hungry world?
Sounds much more altruistic and important than merely doing it for the dough.
The world needs more sucker farmers ?
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Cowabunga
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You do know that an absolute requirement of gaining a trade agreement with the USA is that we change our standards and accept their imports? Also that nothing is done that jeopardises the Good Friday Agreement.
As a grain baron, all this makes no odds to you, but it makes a massive difference to livestock farmers who may well be your customers, which could bite you in the arse if they are made uncompetitive.
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Cowabunga
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No. But a subsidy is a subsidy whatever it is meant to cover. It is all income.
Cowabunga
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Again you ignore the fact that our competitors are overwhelmingly subsidised or have very much lower production costs.
Not the case so much for arable crops, which is where your mindset is fixed upon. You just cannot appreciate or do not want to see that our competitors in Europe will continue to be subsidised and will discriminate against UK produce if we are outside their club.
Don’t forget that there are a bunch of people in Scotland who were “new entrants” in 2005 who have never received any worthwhile amount of subsidy- that was 14 years ago. Those who have should have enough stashed away by now to last them till they retire, whatever happens....
gone up the hill
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Subs have nothing to do with high land prices, they are driven in the UK by rollover money and very high city wages/ bonuses!
French get all the subs going yet a 19 kilo lamb is apparently worth £110/ head currently over there!
As for other country's and subs, all developed country's including NZ either directly or in-directly sub their farmers, America is now giving direct subs to their farmers due to low prices so there is no way on earth that UK farmers can compete with other country's that are getting subs. especially when you have such high welfare etc standards in the UK which don't come cheap!
Cowabunga
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You think? Or know?
i don't ignore that - I already posted that can be dealt with with smart import systems
last year I believe we imported 73 mil t of lamb ................................ and then imported 72 mil t
where the hell is there any sense in that ?
gone up the hill
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Clive only wants subs to go because he hopes that land rents will collapse and he will be able to rent land for a peppercorn rent!
Hate to tell him that wont happen if rents go that low, either people will leave it as fallow or enter into the new stewardship schemes that will replace the BPS.
Rents if the BPS will only drop by £30/40 acre if the subs are currently included in the rent, far too many people either wanting to get into farming or chasing more and more acres will keep rents at a sensible rate for landowners!
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So does the boss. He's actually a property developer and land investor. He merely farms to pass the time while these Investments come to maturity.
We are 2005 “new entrants”.
Don't compute Boss ......